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Tie colors

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by hopkins_student, Nov 14, 2004.

  1. Zubberah

    Zubberah Well-Known Member

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    I have a couple of Leonard ties that have 18 colours. Most of my Leonard ties have 8-15 colours. Coversely, I have around 60 Richard James ties, mostly 1,2 and up to 6 colours. Really depends on what you want to achieve and how you are dressing.
     
  2. modsquad

    modsquad Well-Known Member

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    The Nazi SS were not ordinary soldiers and they weren't just following orders. They were an elite group that began as a domestic security force established by Hitler as a counterweight to the official security apparatus under the Gestapo (the state security police) and the Wehrmacht (the army), under his control. Eventually, the SS was charged with administering Nazi policy in the East, policy that included the shooting of 1,000,000 Slavs in Russia and the Ukraine where Wittman was apparently active in addition to the death camps. I had never heard of Wittman until his name came up here but it is impossible that he rose to such a high position in the SS without making his bones along the way by planning, directing or participating in some of this violence. Yes, this is a clothing site, but to ask the membership to forget that someone was a powerful instrument in one of the two or three greatest evils in world history and merely admire the cut of his coat or the elegance of his wheeling manuver is a bit much. I don't think we need an avatar policy: I think anyone should be allowed to use whatever they want for an avatar. And I would prefer to confine my discussion of atrocities to mixed plaids. But if a member decides to represent himself with enobling pictures of Nazis, he is going to hear about it, and he should.
     
  3. xlhell

    xlhell Member

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    "I had never heard of Wittman until his name came up here but it is impossible that he rose to such a high position in the SS without making his bones along the way by planning, directing or participating in some of this violence."

    So you admit you are assuming that because Wittman held such a high rank he must have been involved in some of the Nazi atrocities. That he could have been promoted solely on his talent in armored warfare never entered your mind?
    By all accounts Wittman made his way to such a high position by being an excellent tanker, possibly the best the world has ever known. He had absolutely nothing to do with the death camps or the execution of civilians in the Soviet Union. The man was in a tank, freezing his ass off probably wishing he was home with his family. To lump him with the atrocities of the Nazis is like saying that every Japanese soldier is guilty of the incredible atrocities of Nanking. Or that every American GI stationed in Iraq is guilty of the crimes at Abu Ghirab.

    During the waning day of the war the Germans dressed 14 and 15 year old boys in SS uniforms and sent them out as fodder to the advancing Red Army. Would you hold them responsible for atrocities committed by others? They were after all SS. You want to group everybody in a neat little box and say they were all monsters when if you would do a little research instead of these knee-jerk responses perhaps you might learn something.

    You know, had the administrator emailed me and said "look man, I've had a complaint about your avatar could you please find something different" I would have happily complied; I'm not on this board to offend anyone, I'm here to learn more about a subject that interests me. But instead I got "Hmm, I thought he looked rather Nazi-like. Well, enough of that."

    So the administrator was judge, jury and executioner. To me censorship is so, well, Nazi-like.

    And Mr. Kaga, nice demogogery. To read the papers I think it is without question that Bush has cause the US to lose face with the rest of the world. While it's true he isn't even in the same ballpark with the Nazi's he still has four more years to go. Perhaps he can match the numbers of Pol Pot. And to suggest posting an avatar of Hitler because he was great orator makes no sense on a clothing board; it's an non-sequeter.

    I do apologise to anyone who was offended by my choice of avatar. Hopefully my new one is neutral enough to escape the attention of the PC police.
     
  4. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Well-Known Member

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    The Waffen SS for the most part was not involved with the "Final Solution" as was the Death's Head SS and the Einstatzgruppen. They were a military unit that acquitted itself quite well in combat. Many SS were not members of the Nazi party, especially the aristocracy, of which Wittman was apparently a member of. Fighting for your country is not a crime, and not all German soldiers were war criminals, although a large portion certainly were.
     
  5. gorgekko

    gorgekko Well-Known Member

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    I didn't want to get drawn into this but to say that the Waffen SS didn't become involved in their share of atrocities is ridiculous. Several units were implicated in massacres of civilians and POWs.

    The SS Leibstandarte Adolph Hitler, for example, committed several atrocities during fighting in the Balkans.
     
  6. j

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    Well, it's my forum, and I can and will censor what I want, although I don't often do so. Typically, I try to let the forum go in a sort of self-policing, laissez-faire manner. Calling me Nazi-like, however, is a good way to get kicked off. Even if you meant it as a compliment, given your apparent admiration for Nazis, I take it as an insult.

    Whether or not you 'would happily have complied' is irrelevant; there was no reason to leave it to you to fix the avatar, and have other members continue to be offended while we wait for you to read the message and respond to it. I did send you a message notifying you that I had removed the avatar. I could easily have simply banned you, but I took time out of my day to give you the benefit of the doubt. I am now rethinking that decision.
     
  7. xlhell

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    Please, please, please take the time to read my post. I did not call you Nazi-like, I called censorship Nazi-like.

    How do you infer that I like Nazis? Christ, they shot at my father.
    I admire a man who had great skill in an area of warfare. I truly wish he had been an American or an Englishman or Canadian but he was not.

    Were other member that offended that I couldn't have been given, say, 12 hours to change my avatar? If the board is truly '"self-policing" wouldn't that have been keeping with that spirit?

    So you gave me the benefit of the doubt by not banning me from the board simply because I used a avatar a couple of people took exception to? Isn't there a fellow on this board how gets everyone riled up on a regular basis, Marc something or other? Is my crime worse than his?

    Yes it is your forum and you can ban me. Perhaps you can burn my posts too?
     
  8. FIHTies

    FIHTies Well-Known Member

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    How unfortunate that the World had only skilled warrior worthy of your admiration.

    Marc has been banned on more than one occassion, BTW.

    I think that we all admire a man that feels the need to have the last word...
     
  9. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying they didn't commit any atrocities, but my point was that the Waffen SS in general weren't the troops people generally associate SS with and many weren't members of the Nazi party.
     
  10. oscarthewild

    oscarthewild Well-Known Member

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    Getting back to tie colors. I remember reading a newsweek or Time in early 1984 that had an article on Giorgio Armani along with some pictures of his clothes. I think he said that he had used 90+ colors in one ensemble.

    Here I struggle with matching 4 patterns.

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  11. ernest

    ernest Well-Known Member

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    We can not admire a man who could support to wear the same garment for x years.
     
  12. xlhell

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    Well since the Tiger 1 was a petrol engine perhaps the crew tooks turns "dry cleaning" their garments [​IMG]
     
  13. ernest

    ernest Well-Known Member

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    How could he support not wearing H&K shirts and a bowler? Such farmer can not be admired
     
  14. Kaga

    Kaga Well-Known Member

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    (xlhell @ 18 Nov. 2004, 02:16) Well since the Tiger 1 was a petrol engine perhaps the crew tooks turns "dry cleaning" their garments [​IMG]
    How could he support not wearing H&K shirts and a bowler? Such farmer can not be admired
    If my memory serves me correctly, much of Jermyn Street, including the Hilditch & Key store, was destroyed during the blitz. I don't think H&K would want his custom. Perhaps, though, he could have visited their Paris store, open since the 1920s, without a hassle?
     

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