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Thomas Pink

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by clarinetplayer, Nov 29, 2004.

  1. clarinetplayer

    clarinetplayer Well-Known Member

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    I haven't been in Marshall Fields in months, but as I was strolling through the store on Saturday, I saw the new Thomas Pink "corner". Â Apparently, TP rents space in the MF stores. What an attractive display. Â The colors, the neat appearance of the shirts, etc... all sucked me...in spite of the warnings of many posts on the Forum. Â I bought a lovely blue with subtle pink striped shirt. I have very average measurements--38 chest, 15.5 neck, 33 inch sleeve. Â I was concerned that the 34 inch sleeve on the Double Cuff shirt would be too long. Â Wrong. Â The neck is a half inch too large. Â The sleeve is about a half inch too short. Â I defy anyone to button the top button without cursing. Â Dammit, who designed that? For the amount of money I paid, I could have had a nice MTM custom shirt made. Â The buttons and construction of the TP are just ordinary. I do, however, like the size and shape of the cuffs. I knew better. Â In the back of my mind, I remembered all the detailed posts warning us of the poor quality of TP. Â But I did not heed the "voice of the Forum". Â Â [​IMG]
     
  2. Renault78law

    Renault78law Well-Known Member

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    Even though TP isn't the best quality, I think their fabric designs are great. Very smart, very modern. Perfect for the yuppie within us all.
     
  3. AlanC

    AlanC Well-Known Member

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    Take it back.
     
  4. esquire.

    esquire. Well-Known Member

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    What about their ties? I saw some, and I liked the patterns they were using. Definitely overpriced, but they were still really nice.
     
  5. clarinetplayer

    clarinetplayer Well-Known Member

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    Yes, their ties are attractive.  I bought two.  One, after the first wearing, has several krinkles.  Not of the same calibre as Robert Talbott and others.
     
  6. TomW

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    I just don't understand anyone buying TP... for the money you can get such better quality from Talbott (shirts and ties) or any number of other makers. Heck you can buy 10 or so department store branded shirts of the same quality for the money...

    Different strokes ....
     
  7. ViroBono

    ViroBono Well-Known Member

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    TP shirts have declined in quality since they stopped having them made in Ulster and began sourcing them offshore. Here in UK they are becoming just another chainstore selling mass-produced items.

    On a brighter note, I see from my recent visit to Jermyn Street that some of the better shirtmakers are now offering new patterns, some much more modern than before. All is not lost, gentlemen....
     
  8. chorse123

    chorse123 Well-Known Member

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    I echo AlanC, take it back. Use the money to get that nice MTM shirt.
     
  9. clarinetplayer

    clarinetplayer Well-Known Member

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    Yes, of course, I plan to return the shirt. I just hate the hassle of having to do so. But then, I should have known better.
     
  10. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    No...you should have tried it on at the store.
     
  11. johnw86

    johnw86 Well-Known Member

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    Your advice sparks an interesting question. How many here DO try on shirts in the store? (I'm thinking specifically of the shirts that are pinned, wrapped, and packaged.) I know I never do.
     
  12. Mark Seitelman

    Mark Seitelman Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] When I was heavier I had to wear MTM and bespoke. I had been a Turnbull & Asser bespoke customer. I wanted to try a Pink shirt since it is much cheaper than T & A. BTW, I couldn't fit into RTW T & A even after my weight loss. I could fit into a RTW Pink. After buying and wearing a Pink RTW and comparing it against my T & A's, Pink is definitely in the "B" (good) or second tier level. T & A is in the "A" (excellent) level. I have come to this conclusion based on the following factors: 1. Cloth--Pink's is coarser than T & A. Many of the Pink designs and colors are strident as compared to T & A. The T & A cloth is much classier from the color, design, and hand viewpoints. However, the coarseness of the Pink cloth might increase the longevity of the Pink against T & A. 2. Buttons--T & A has the best buttons, all pearl. Pink's are plastic and very ordinary. 3. Finishing and Workmanship--T & A has more stitches to the inch. Pink's are double needle sewn as compared to single needle tailoring in T & A. T & A's collar lies better, and its interlinings are better. 4. The Pink French cuff shirts have an odd detail that allows two different settings for the cufflink. The second setting shortens the sleeve by increasing the cuff size. I have tried this second setting, and it doesn't quite work. 5. Pink is a RTW shirt. For not much above the RTW price, you can special order various details on MTM T & A, such as the James Bond cuff and the three button cuff. One area that Pink beats T & A is price. You can buy two Pink shirts for the price of one T & A. (T & A's prices have gotten out of hand.) If price is a major consideration, then go with Pink.
     
  13. Gatsby

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    "4. The Pink French cuff shirts have an odd detail that allows two different settings for the cufflink. The second setting shortens the sleeve by increasing the cuff size. I have tried this second setting, and it doesn't quite work."

    I've also been wondering about this. I believe you are referring to the extra slot in the inner cuff holes. It's a little difficult to explain in words, but with a normal double cuffed shirt you have a total of four cuff holes, and with Pink you get six- one extra each on the inner cuffs (not visible). Anyhow assuming that this is what is being referred to, I have also tried this setting for cuffs, and I think it's to 'shuffle' your cuffs. That is you get a 'slanted' effect which can look quite dapper in theory IMO.
    Unfortunately, it also causes the cuff to 'tighten' (which I believe is the shortening you have noticed), which destroys the overall effect.

    I am wondering if there are any other innovative cuff design out there. Lately I've been thinking of getting an MTM shirt with a cleric collar and turn-up (?) cuffs.
     
  14. AlanC

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    My Tyrwhitt shirts have the "extra" holes for links. I think it's a good idea (in RTW) personally. The extra holes are invisible to all but the wearer when he's putting in the links. Obviously, one of the settings isn't going to work well for you, but it gives an extra option for sleeve length adjustment.
     
  15. Looking to improve

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    With the first set of Pinks I bought, I tried on a shirt in their Jermyn St. store to see whether the sleeves would be long enough. They were, and after that I've been happy enough to order by mail. That is, untill their quality started dropping a bit (or my expectations of a shirt rose, not least though this and other forums).

    The shirts I've bought since 'leaving' TP shirts I've all tried on in the store (m-t-m and r-t-w both). Not only to judge the fit, but to see if I still like the shirt's design/colours/what-have-you when I'm wearing the shirt.

    MtB
     
  16. ViroBono

    ViroBono Well-Known Member

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    Gatsby,

    If by a shirt with cleric collar and french cuffs you mean a collarless shirt (to take separate clerical or normal collar), these are known in UK as tunic shirts and several makers have them RTW, though often in a very limited range of colours (white, blue and grey). A friend of mine in the Royal Army Chaplains Dept found that Clarke & Dawe in Belfast had them in a wider range. It may be worth contacting them, as I think they can get them made up fairly easily.
     
  17. Renault78law

    Renault78law Well-Known Member

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    I never used to, but now I always unwrap and either try on the shirt or at least measure it.  At Thomas Pink, they have "try-on" shirts that are unfolded and laundered for the specific purpose of allowing you to try on the shirt without unwrapping them.
     
  18. tintin

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    Regarding the cuff holes...always understood this as a way to get a longer life out of the shirt. As the double cuff wears and frays on one setting, you simply change to the other holes and the frayed cuff is hidden. This was passed on to me by some London friends who also told me to never refer to double cuffs as "French" cuffs.
     
  19. ernest

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    What about H&K?

    Any nice new fabrics?
     
  20. clarinetplayer

    clarinetplayer Well-Known Member

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    Your advice sparks an interesting question. Â How many here DO try on shirts in the store? Â (I'm thinking specifically of the shirts that are pinned, wrapped, and packaged.) Â I know I never do.
    I never used to, but now I always unwrap and either try on the shirt or at least measure it. Â At Thomas Pink, they have "try-on" shirts that are unfolded and laundered for the specific purpose of allowing you to try on the shirt without unwrapping them.
    I did not try on the shirt at the Thomas Pink store because I never have a problem with a RTW shirt--Behar, Talbott, Polo, Brooks Bros., Lands End, etc..... Â I should have known better.
     

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