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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by globetrotter, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. Piobaire

    Piobaire Well-Known Member

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    Rush > all.

    FACT!
     
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    Of all your posts, that was easily your stupidest.
     
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    That's actually not at all true. While they tend to write pretty straight-forward songs, they're in truth quite good musicians. Gene Simmons, in particular, is a far better bass player than many would believe because he's not a show off and their music just doesn't typically make room for bass solos.
     
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    Revenge is definitely one of their strongest studio albums. I put it right up there with Destroyer, Rock and Roll Over, Creatures of the Night, and now, Monster. (Yes, I love Monster that much.)
     
  5. Neo_Version 7

    Neo_Version 7 Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone here listen to Gwar?
     
  6. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Well-Known Member

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    DUDE...
     
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    I also don't get why people say this about KISS as if it is a bad thing. I mean, rock and roll is the genre that, famously, you only need three chords to play!
     
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    I'm hearing you guys out on this, but here's the problem: Even die-hard Kiss fans, which I know at least two of you are, are using defenses like "they are not bad" and claiming that they're good musicians who just don't show it with their musicianship. It's hard for me to believe that they're particularly good musicians when those are the best defenses their fans have to offer.

    All of that said, I do think that Kiss has an important place in the history of rock 'n' roll, but I'm not sold on this whole "look, I know their playing doesn't show it, but they really are excellent musicians." I mean, that would be like me saying, "look, I'm really great at calculus, but my ability to solve equations doesn't show it."

    Also, it's silly to me to argue that Kiss is awesome because they've "adapted." Being an excellent musician doesn't require you to adapt. If you're that good, you don't write disco songs when disco is popular; you keep doing what you've been doing. By "adapting," you're basically showing that your stuff doesn't stand on its own well enough to buck trends.

    I don't doubt that Kiss puts on an awesome show (I'd go to one, and I'm not even a fan), and they might write songs that have become anthems. However, to me, that's not the same as being good musicians.

    What I don't understand is why Kiss fans feel the need to defend their musicianship when the band's strengths lie elsewhere, and, frankly, it's those other strengths that made them a part of rock 'n' role lore. I mean, y'all could just say, "yeah, they're not particularly good musicians, but they're awesome showmen, and I love 'em for it," and that would be cool. No need to frame them as something they're not.
     
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    That's in fact, not what I said. I said they are good musicians, they play music that is perceived as not having the depth of other musicians but even if that were true it is not a bad thing.
     
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    Also, FFS, shut the fuck up MrG, you like Buffett.

    There's no worse example of no-talent, non-skilled awful musicians pushing schlock to the masses than that shit.
     
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    I didn't. I stated it as a fact. They don't write complex songs like Yes or Rush, but then, they don't set out to, either.


    But here's my question: if you can only name three Kiss songs, how can you be so sure they aren't good musicians? My previous point was that their goal was to write more straight-ahead songs, not complex arrangements. That doesn't automatically exclude them from being very good musicians. I really don't feel the need to "defend" them, but when someone listens to a few of their songs and wrongly assumes they aren't very good musicians, I do feel the need to point that out as a pretty basic error.

    I'll also never claim that they're at the pinnacle of musicianship, but they are very good.

    I'd earlier neglected to point out Peter Criss. He was a very accomplished drummer, but his strengths didn't come in his speed. Rather, due to his jazz and big band background, he was a master at varying his amplitude, adding a sort of "texture" to his drumming that most rock drummers never have had. The best power drummer around? No. Neil Pert would blow him out of the water.
     
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    I've heard more than three Kiss songs, Teach, but I wasn't impressed enough by them to keep listening. I also wasn't impressed with the few that I know offhand (though I will admit "God Gave Rock 'n' Roll to You II" is a fun song). I don't think we should be expected to have a comprehensive understanding of a band's work before we can decide they're not particularly good. I mean, I'm assuming we all agree that Justin Bieber sucks, but I don't think any of us is willing to confirm that by memorizing his catalog.

    I will admit that I don't know what their goal was when writing songs, so it would be disingenuous of me to argue that is or isn't the case, though I still think their music is the best proxy for judging their musicianship. (I know that sounds sarcastic, but I don't mean it that way; it's just the best way I could phrase it.)

    I'd be willing to give Kiss another try if someone can give me a handful of their favorite songs. (Full disclosure: I'm a little put off by the cheesiness factor I perceive in Kiss, so I can't promise I'll ever convert to being a fan, but I'm at least willing to be convinced they're better musicians than I think they are.)


    This sick burn took longer than I expected.

    Now please go find that time I defended Jimmy Buffett's musicianship.

    I'll wait.

    (Hint: You won't find it, because I've never done it. Buffett's strength is not in his musicianship. In fact, Buffett himself admits he's not a particularly good musician. What he is is an excellent storyteller/songwriter and performer, which is why I like his music. So, yeah, I basically did what I recommended y'all do in my last paragraph.)
     
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    I think the very subtle way they sing of their dicks and how women want them is something few of us could master.
     
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    Only small-timers need somebody else to pay them a bonus. Big-timers just take their profits.

    Somebody has been studying for the LSAT.

    I don't listen to them but have always admired their fashion sense.
     
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    Piob is correct.
     
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    I got a new keyboard for my computer at work. It is so awesome. I feel like 12% more productive already.
     
  17. Connemara

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    You idiots. Steely Dan > all.
     
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    Today I successfully navigated the bureaucracy to obtain a box of my favorite pens, which are technically supposed to be unavailable. This is a profound accomplishment, FYI.
     
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    Shut the fuck up
     
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