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Things That Are Bothering You, Got You All Hibbeldy-Jibbeldy, or just downright pissed, RIGHT NOW!

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bergdorf Goodwill, Feb 7, 2007.

  1. indesertum

    indesertum Well-Known Member

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    They've done quantum teleportation experiments where they've teleported atoms over long distances
     
  2. edinatlanta

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    Now I am at the post office. The milf action is strong.
     
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  3. mktitsworth

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    This the sort of thing that used to piss me off. These days, it's more sad than anything else - mostly I think because it shows the growing divide between us and the rest of the world - but it is also a prevalent bit of arrogance that is worth dispelling.

    When people say theories are theories, they usually mean that theories are just ideas, descriptions, and hypotheses. This is not true. The simplest delineation is that they have to be descriptions or hypotheses which make experimentally falsifiable predictions. Falsifiability is a big condition. When we say things like "quantum mechanics is a theory" or "the standard model is a theory" not only do we mean that, but that we also mean that we have mountains - sometimes literally - of evidence which rather than contradicting the predictions, seem to confirm them.

    I know very few theorists who labor under the assumption that only select a few are capable of grasping to even the most minimal extent the concepts they are working with. The world has Sheldon Coopers, but they're really few and far between. However, as people who dedicate our lives to these pursuits, we do come to learn the depth and complexity involved in addressing these problems. We learn about all of the things that have to work together and remain consistent if what we put forward as descriptions of physical phenomena are not going to be immediately falsified by existing data. The question is not one of intellectual capability but of sufficient learning. Sometimes it's not even that. Sometimes it's that the things we're talking about are so complicated - and are required to be complicated in order to be accurate - that even the people who are best in the world, know the most about it, are incapable of saying whether or not something is B.S.

    There is no comparisson to Einstein, except Bohr, Dirac, Feynmann, Witten, Wheeler, Dyson. I personally would put Alexei Kitaev and Xiao-Gang Wen on that list. Lise Meitner deserves mention as well. There are quite a number of people who have made gigantic contributions to physics over the last century. While Einstein is idolized in popular culture - and certain circles of physics - there are other giants just as big. Trust me. Einstein was quite often perceived as anything but practical. The true postulate of special relativity - that in order for Maxwell's theory to transform correctly between reference frames the invariant velocity must be finite - was quite controversial. It has since become practical, but that's only because it was useful for things. This same thing applies to the theory behind lasers.

    One thing that most if not all of these people shared was a willingness to admit ignorance. I can tell you anecdotally that the more time you spend and deeper you dig into these subjects, the more you find out that you have no idea about. There is quite a lot that is not known. There is quite a lot that is known, but not well understood (if at all). We know and understand quite a lot actually, but this usually leads to larger piles of things we don't know. My experience has been that there are two basic ways to deal with it aside from apathy. The first is to accept your ignorance, move on, and use it as guide for further understanding the world. The second is to be incapable of releasing the notion that there could be so much out there it is beyond one's personal understanding at the time and thus that paths which lead to such things must be wrong - to adhere to a flawed world view and assume that the things one does not grasp are merely fictions.

    Which brings us to the thing that makes this sad. I'm glad that you like Tesla. He did many cool things. However, you could not have shown Tesla the paper predicting the Higgs boson, Majorana's paper predicting the existence of self-dual fermions, or even Dirac's work predicting the existence of the positron. He would not have the background necessary to read these things, and this is where the science is. Likewise, I would bet good money that you lack the necessary background to be able to judge the merits of these papers either. and these are all things which have been born out by experiments but were first predicted as mere fictions of theory. I can't say whether or not this is because of any particular cognitive ability (or lack there of), but I would imagine that you lack the necessary knowledge to have a truly meaningful conversation about them at the necessary technical level. Tesla seemed like the kind of guy who would realize this, and deal with it in the first way. You however, seem to be doing the second.

    That guy is Leonard Susskind. He's one of the people who invented string theory.


    They're working on it.


    There has been an exodus of theorists from the academy into finance, and it does have a lot to do with the fact that research is not competitive as an economic pursuit.

    I'm done with this topic now, except to say that quantum teleportation experiments involve the transfer of information. I know of nothing in which physical matter has been transported. I suspect that it will be a very long time before this happens because the energy required for what most people think of with this is mind bogglingly large.
     
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  4. HRoi

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    Colin Powell would like to have a word with you

    (Thx for getting on that teleportation project btw)
     
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  5. Connemara

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    :laugh:
     
  6. L'Incandescent

    L'Incandescent Well-Known Member

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    I have to be at the office for an important task at 2. But guess what? We're supposed to get wintry mix today and I have a long commute. Don't like that at all.
     
  7. ethanm

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    I'm pissed that Yoox faked me out with the white/white canvas GATs all being like we have sizes 6-9 except SIKE only 6 for white.
     
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  8. lawyerdad

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    Evolution is just a theory, you know.
     
  9. taxgenius

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    ...like gravity.
     
  10. otc

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    Yeah, it is kind of a sad state of affairs really. A few years ago (I can't seem to find it now), there was an article with some charts (probably summarizing a paper) making the rounds that discussed the salaries for quantitative professionals with similar qualifications.

    Basically starting in the 80's, going into finance became a more and more rewarding option. Prior to that, someone with strong quantitative skills and a good education had a bunch of different options that all paid relatively similar salaries. All sorts of science and research and engineering roles where people actually invented or produced things. Now those jobs pay notably less than what a PhD would make if he moved into finance/securities consulting or hedge fund roles.
     
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  12. why

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    Truthfully, you're just making yourself look like a fool here.
     
  13. mktitsworth

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    I know a number of people with Math/Physics PhDs that fall into this category. It's sad.
     
  14. patrickBOOTH

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    I used to love the holidays because I would get money from people, more and more I am realizing that I have become the person who is now giving the money and not receiving it. The holidays suck.
     
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  15. GreenFrog

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    Did you hear that LD got invited to become a board member?
     
  16. Gibonius

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    Of course this guy is a Tesla worshiper. Nothing else would have made sense.
     
  17. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Well-Known Member

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    Which means I'll be hitting pB up for money, too.
     
  18. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Well-Known Member

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    Stupidly clicked a link posted by a FB friend to a news story about a shooting at a Denver-area school. Even more stupidly, let my eye wander down to the reader comments, where the usual bipartisan assortment of ghoulish dipshits were clearly overjoyed at having a new venue to conduct the exact same infantile gun control "debate" they carry on in every such circumstance.
     
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  19. acidboy

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    I'm sure she felt relieved meng.

    seriously, sorry to hear that... will you be going out and be slayin' some beetchez soon?
     
  20. acidboy

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    meanwhile, news in our parts have mentioned that our government has a department that hires an army of trolls just to do reader comments in local news sites that agrees with them/praises them/jizz on the president's picture and diss the other side. man, I wish I was also paid to do that.
     

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