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these doc martens I got for cheap

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Fat-Elvis, Jul 21, 2008.

  1. LooseChange

    LooseChange Well-Known Member

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    um yea....and skinheads were/are well dressed doods in sharp suits with american longwing brogues riding on vespas too, at least the proper ones. there are plenty that never venture beyond fred perry shirts, harrington or MA-1 jackets, jeans and docs. I think a sharp well sussed skinhead looks a lot smarter than a mod, who can often adopt some swirly sartorial details that I dont jive with and they listened to the same music, black soul & R&B music, altho skinheads adopted west indian ska/reggae as their primary beat.
    Ahh, that makes it a bit clearer. I think I just keep on comparing Quadrophenia with American History X and that messes it up.
     
  2. Get Smart

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    Ahh, that makes it a bit clearer. I think I just keep on comparing Quadrophenia with American History X and that messes it up.
    ...dp
     
  3. Get Smart

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    Ahh, that makes it a bit clearer. I think I just keep on comparing Quadrophenia with American History X and that messes it up.

    yea totally different.

    but I love Derek Vineyard's rant at the dinner table when Elliot Gould was over at the house. I think I've had that same exact monologue.

    I've also know real life "Dereks" and none of them had or would ever have a swastika tattooed on his body

    and dont mistake Quadrophenia as any kind of realistic portrayal of mods. It's not hard to find a mod who thinks the film is rubbish, esp if he's been in the scene for a few years and is over 20 years old
     
  4. Ichiran

    Ichiran New Member

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    Has anyone here had any experiences getting their Docs resoled?

    I've got a pair of 6-eyes in oily brown leather that were made in England, which I know I'll never be able to replace. I actually wear them less nowadays partly because I know these soles' days are numbered.

    If anyone has had their cobbler have a go at their Docs, I'd appreciate your advice. Thanks in advance!
     
  5. Smells Like Poor

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    I've always wondered how Warzone became the obligatory skinhead Hardcore band without really looking the part. The fact that they were sharpskins and that racist skinheads would go to their shows is just as confusing. There were routinely fights at their shows and I've heard of instances where Raybeez would sing in the crowd to help prevent them from starting.
     
  6. Get Smart

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    I've always wondered how Warzone became the obligatory skinhead Hardcore band without really looking the part. The fact that they were sharpskins and that racist skinheads would go to their shows is just as confusing. There were routinely fights at their shows and I've heard of instances where Raybeez would sing in the crowd to help prevent them from starting.

    huh what do you mean "not looking the part"? They looked like your typical US hardcore skinhead band, as did Agnostic Front up til "Cause for Alarm". They werent SHARP, tho they were non-racist. And they were friends with guys from Youth Defense League, who def catered to the RAC crowd and were more in line with bands like Skrewdriver and Brutal Attack.

    Racialist skinheads went to Specials and Madness gigs too (just as much as non-racialist skins went to Skrewdriver shows). Real life is never so cut/dry to think that there's a line drawn in the sand and everyone has to stand on one side or the other.

    RIP Raybeez
     
  7. Guy Burgess

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    Over here (New Zealand) there just aren't the same connotations with Doc Martens as there are back in the UK, which I guess is to be expected, but it took me a while to get used to loads of people wearing Cherry Doc Martens when I was used to only seeing them on a certain look of person. Hippy kids love them here!
     
  8. Smells Like Poor

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    huh what do you mean "not looking the part"? They looked like your typical US hardcore skinhead band, as did Agnostic Front up til "Cause for Alarm". They werent SHARP, tho they were non-racist. And they were friends with guys from Youth Defense League, who def catered to the RAC crowd and were more in line with bands like Skrewdriver and Brutal Attack. Racialist skinheads went to Specials and Madness gigs too (just as much as non-racialist skins went to Skrewdriver shows). Real life is never so cut/dry to think that there's a line drawn in the sand and everyone has to stand on one side or the other. RIP Raybeez
    It just didn't seem they consistently dressed that way. I know it wasn't out of the ordinary for them to wear basketball jerseys, baggy shorts/pants, and Nikes like every other NYHC band. I do realize that Raybeez certainly dressed like a skinhead though. Concerning the fans, I suppose it's just one of those things where you had to have been around at the time. The Hardcore scene today certainly isn't as cohesive now and is quite judgmental. There's definitely an in-group/out-group struggle now. All of the crews like SOSF, FSU, CC, and the like don't really help the situation.
     
  9. Get Smart

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    ^^ NYHC-skins never really dressed traditional. Look at guys from DMS and you'd think that typical skinhead gear consists of basketball jerseys, camo shorts, and high tops. But NYC guys that were more into the oi scene like The Press, Oxblood, Templars were/are more traditionally attired.

    FSU.....heh, hadnt thought of that crew in a while. back in the 80s in SoCal there was a WP crew called FSU (Fuck Shit Up) that has nothing to do with the current HxC FSU that started in Boston.
     
  10. johnpemberton

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    I picked up a pair of the "classic" cherry red 8-hole doc martens earlier, and I'm debating whether or not I should keep them. For one thing I didn't know they're now made in china until I brought them back. Well thats a bunch of shit. How is the quality of these, really? Also, I got them just for the sake of having some doc martens (before I knew) and thought I might be able to pull these, off but I'm not sure how. What do you wear red boots with? Is there maybe a way to treat them to make them a bit darker/browner or something if I so desired?


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    I was passed this link by another member - I may be able to answer some questions on the differences between the Thailand/China made DM boots, and the English-made boots.

    Firstly DM do not not manufacture their current range of footwear in England EXCEPT for a very limited range - called "Vintage / Made In England" range, that started production approx 12 months ago. They are very rare to get hold of, and only DM sell them online, together with myself. DM have restricted their supply, mainly due to the quantities that they are produced in.

    The "Vintage" range includes:
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    1460 (8 holes)
    1490 (10 holes)
    1914 (14 holes)

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    All are in oxblood red and black. The main difference, apart from being made in the original Northampton factory is the leather. They are "Quilon leather" - its a higher grade, full "corrected" grain leather. Full Grain leathers are the best leathers available. The leather is the strongest and most durable available. "Corrected Grain" leathers have been infused with polishes and wax to produce a more even surface.

    in general the Thailand boots are of good construction quality - being Z stitch welted (Z Stitch - Classic Dr. Marten's stitch that joins the welt, upper and insole. Traditionally yellow). However I find that they are slightly larger than the English boots - maybe by quarter to half of one UK size.

    Hope this helps / contributes to this thread a little!

    Rgds,
    John
     
  11. johnpemberton

    johnpemberton Well-Known Member

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    How cheap did you get them for? Polishing them with black polish would create an oxblood boot, but as said before that's not really a boot that you can easily wear with whatever... it's part of a very specific look. There are Made in England Vintage Collection boots available now, and I believe one of the members here sells them via his ebay shoe store (sf discounts were available). Check the thread about rockabilly for more info. You could of course take this opportunity to reshape your entire wardrobe around these boots?! Start with the Fred Perry and Ben Sherman shirts. [​IMG]

    Hi,
    The "Made In England" boots you are referring to related to me [​IMG] I offer discounts to SF members who deal with me direct (not via ebay)....see this thread for more info:

    http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=72285

    Kind regards,
    John
     
  12. johnpemberton

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    Over here (New Zealand) there just aren't the same connotations with Doc Martens as there are back in the UK, which I guess is to be expected, but it took me a while to get used to loads of people wearing Cherry Doc Martens when I was used to only seeing them on a certain look of person. Hippy kids love them here!


    I sell around 5 pairs of boots to New Zealand customers per month - mostly black 1490's and the odd cherry 1490.

    J
     
  13. Get Smart

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    (...)werent even called skinheads at first, the US GI term "peanuts" or "spykids" (...)

    ...as far as I know 'spykid' was kind of a scotish expression (and not just because of the Glasgow Spykids) - ever pronounced it with a scotish accent? Spikehead!

    ...effin politics - no one asks any rockabilly guy what he thinks - and this scene is at least as rightwing around here as skinheads in general - and traditional skins tend not to give a shit about politics at all...
     
  15. Get Smart

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    ...as far as I know 'spykid' was kind of a scotish expression (and not just because of the Glasgow Spykids) - ever pronounced it with a scotish accent? Spikehead!

    ...effin politics - no one asks any rockabilly guy what he thinks - and this scene is at least as rightwing around here as skinheads in general - and traditional skins tend not to give a shit about politics at all...



    yea, now that you mention it does seem like only Scots really used the term "spykid" tho I know of americans throwing the term around too, probably cuz they heard the Scots use it

    well the rockabilly scene is so right wing because it's all full of ex-skins who "retired" into it...most of my friends in RAB are ex-skins, and all pretty right wing if they were to discuss their politics, tho they could care less about politics of either side nowadays. Funny how skinheads of different politics eventually got into RAB and you'll see guys who used to be Hammers hanging out with guys who used to be SHARP
     
  16. soulstylist

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    ...yea, a lot of the older guys at least look very RAB (though they might be still djing soul and reggay). My theory is, that a style consisting of 47 Levis and a workshirt just looks better with a huge beer gut (20+ years of heavy drinking!!!!) than a Staprest and a slim cut shirt - it kind of makes sense.

    ...so - I'm off to a soul night at a rockabilly place....
     
  17. javyn

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    Didn't read this thread in its entirety, but I hope no one here is equating skinhead with racist/nazi. After all, it was blacks who started the whole skinhead movement in Jamaica to fight against prejudice in the first place.
     
  18. Nico Samuel Pleninsek

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    I just picked up a pair of MIE eight hole in black.
     
  19. Get Smart

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    ....so - I'm off to a soul night at a rockabilly place....

    Martin, that's funny because I'm off tonite to see a soul/trad ska band at a bar that usually does rockabilly on fri nites

    After all, it was blacks who started the whole skinhead movement in Jamaica to fight against prejudice in the first place.

    I think you have your folklore mixed up a bit. blacks didnt start the skinhead movement, it was started by white kids that liked how the black immigrants dressed and turned their "rude boy" style into their own....and skinheads never "fought against prejudice"...it is common to hear from original 60s skins that white and black skinheads antagonized pakistani immigrants in late 60s England (take a close listen to the lyrics from reggay classic "Skinhead a Bash Dem" by Claudette and the Corporation). It was never about any racial unity, just a music and style unity.

    and it didnt start in Jamaica....again, fairly common knowledge that many of those reggay/ska artists found on Trojan Records were just cashing in on a trend when skinhead hit its height by 1969, all these bands came out of the woodwork to make a buck riding the skinhead wagon.
     
  20. javyn

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    The rude boys were the original skins.

     

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