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these doc martens I got for cheap

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Fat-Elvis, Jul 21, 2008.

  1. Surfrider

    Surfrider Well-Known Member

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    For one thing I didn't know they're not made in china until I brought them back. Well thats a bunch of shit.
    Sorry...translation?


    ...but the cherry red/oxbloods have always remained top skinhead gear.
    Forgive my ignorance, but are you referring to the cool, working-class, Oi! kind of skin, or the piece-of-shit racist motherfuckers that the former usually loathes?
     
  2. Get Smart

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    or the piece-of-shit racist motherfuckers that the former usually loathes?

    I've never considered those fellas to be "skinheads"
     
  3. Nico Samuel Pleninsek

    Nico Samuel Pleninsek Well-Known Member

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    How safe are the blue ones?

    But seriously how many skinheads have you ever met? I have met zero; I doubt anyone in my age bracket would find them symbolic of classic rascist traditions.

    A black friend of mine wants red ones; should I tell him to stay away from them?
     
  4. Get Smart

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    But seriously how many skinheads have you ever met?

    heh....hundreds. most of my friends are all ex-skins, quite a few are still skins, running around in a crew doing the nonsense that those guys do

    funny, I was driving back from the market a few weeks ago and saw a guy walking down the street looking very much like a skinhead (shaved head, oxblood docs, flight jacket) and a part of me still wants to hit him up and see what he's about. old stupid habits die hard.
     
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  5. Fat-Elvis

    Fat-Elvis Well-Known Member

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    Sorry...translation?

    sorry, "now made", not "not made".
     
  6. Black Cherry

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    As a traditionalist, I would prefer they stay with tradition in this case. Baggage and all that comes with it (after all, it's the best part.)

    They are great lookin' boots though. Just be prepared if you choose to wear them. People do ask.


    I agree that subculture tradition should be honored, don't get me wrong, but it's still a bit situational. For example if you're wearing them while visiting an aboriginal tribe or something, I don't think anyone would look twice. Well, they probably would, but for other reasons.

    My favorite example of something like that is the "hanky code", if you're familiar. I do manual labor and I'm a sweaty mother fucker, so I usually have one hanging out of my back pocket. For wiping my brow occasionally. The significance of it is lost to farmers and old people, it's just a practical thing. They don't think I'm into anal fisting or whatever. Not because of the hanky, anyway. I probably wouldn't wear it to a bar or club, though, of course..
     
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  7. West24

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    heh....hundreds. most of my friends are all ex-skins, quite a few are still skins, running around in a crew doing the nonsense that those guys do

    funny, I was driving back from the market a few weeks ago and saw a guy walking down the street looking very much like a skinhead (shaved head, oxblood docs, flight jacket) and a part of me still wants to hit him up and see what he's about. old stupid habits die hard.


    when you say hit him up you dont mean fight him? or do you? you sound like you used to be a skin head, but youre asian? how does that work?
     
  8. Get Smart

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    when you say hit him up you dont mean fight him? or do you? you sound like you used to be a skin head, but youre asian? how does that work?
    no, not necessarily...besides I'm too old and know better to beat down kids walking down the street (might scuff my shoes on his head, which would suck) [​IMG] why do you assume skinheads have to be white? there are plenty of black, asian, hispanic, arab, whatever skinheads. Japan and Malaysia in particular have huge skinhead scenes outside of US and Europe. but whatevers...every skinhead thread always ends up drowning in the mire that people assume is some kind of racist ideology. If the OP wants to wear oxblood docs, fine knock yerself out...just saying that those shoes come from a pretty long history of tribal association and are hardly just "any ol footwear", and it's good to be informed of those associations before you go out
     
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    So, does the Russian skinhead movement still follow the traditional uniform that your describe, GS? Or does that delve into something vastly different.
     
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    So can you say that the association skinheads with red DMs is more important than the association of skinheads with racism?

    If so, only due to numbers? (let's say hypotehtically, if 90% of skinheads wear red DMs, while only 15% are racist)
     
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    no, not necessarily...besides I'm too old and know better to beat down kids walking down the street (might scuff my shoes on his head, which would suck) [​IMG]

    why do you assume skinheads have to be white? there are plenty of black, asian, hispanic, arab, whatever skinheads. Japan and Malaysia in particular have huge skinhead scenes outside of US and Europe.

    but whatevers...every skinhead thread always ends up drowning in the mire that people assume is some kind of racist ideology. If the OP wants to wear oxblood docs, fine knock yerself out...just saying that those shoes come from a pretty long history of tribal association and are hardly just "any ol footwear", and it's good to be informed of those associations before you go out


    when i think of skinheads in america i think of white racists, who probably wouldnt take kindly to an asian? i dont know. so were you a skinhead, and if so why would you have hard feelings towards the ones you saw? do you now not like them? im confused.
     
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    So, does the Russian skinhead movement still follow the traditional uniform that your describe, GS? Or does that delve into something vastly different.

    That's just a whole different scene....those russian, polish and other eastern euro neo-nazi "skinheads" aren't in any way skinheads as I would call it. They don't listen to the same music, don't have the interest in same kinda style....and their politics are fuckin garbage.

    I have a documentary that follows some Polish "skins" and their interpretation of the cult is bullshit, has nothing to do with the original scene. Doesn't even have anything to do with the british white power scene of the early 80's which was still surprisingly traditional despite their skrewed political beliefs.
     
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    Thanks for the quick summary, really helped clear things up. It's a shame the two scenes/subcultures can get mixed up in some casual observers minds (myself included) because they are ill informed. Nice to have this set straight.
     
  14. Get Smart

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    So can you say that the association skinheads with red DMs is more important than the association of skinheads with racism?

    If so, only due to numbers? (let's say hypotehtically, if 90% of skinheads wear red DMs, while only 15% are racist)


    yea that sounds about right

    when i think of skinheads in america i think of white racists, who probably wouldnt take kindly to an asian? i dont know. so were you a skinhead, and if so why would you have hard feelings towards the ones you saw? do you now not like them? im confused.

    i "claimed" for over ten years, whatever that means nowadays since I never got into the gang aspect of it.....but I got into it at the tail end when the cliche "united skins" sort of meant something, where most skinheads tended to get along (other than crew rivalry) regardless of politics and race and just fight other punks/longhairs. There were non-white guys that hung out with white racialist guys with no problems.....then there were the oddball non-white guys that ended up joining white power crews (??). the whole scene was characterized by knuckleheads, but some really good guys came out of it that are some of the most standup and intelligent fellas I know. When I see a skinhead nowadays I can't help but think "give it up fella, that subculture died years ago" but I'm sure the same would have been said to my generation by the original skins from the 60s. There's a guy that posts on Ask Andy that was from the original 60s traditional skin scene in England and has a lot of interesting insights on the cult from his perspective. Mine is mostly from a 2nd/3rd generation PoV from the mid 80s-mid 90s American scene.

    a small anecdote on your first sentence...I played guitar in a skinhead hardcore/oi band about 5 years ago and after one show (that was in full attendance by a bunch of white power skins) we got invited to play an Aryan fest because they were really into our band and didnt care about my yellow ass being in the band since "I seemed cool". Needless to say we declined their offer.

    The whole WP/non-WP scene has had some interesting overlaps.....Suggs (singer of ska band Madness) was best friends with Ian Stuart (singer of notorious racist band Skrewdriver)....and I know of SHARPS (skinheads against racial prejudice) who roadied or did security for racist bands like Brutal Attack. And some extreme racist bands have had singers that used to be SHARP and vice versa. The whacked skinhead scene has never been black/white (no pun intended) with a lot of confused dynamics to it.
     
  15. Nico Samuel Pleninsek

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    Oh wells, I'm ordering one of the "Made in England" versions in either blue or RED. Damn, I'm going broke.
     
  16. Get Smart

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    get em both! those are my 2 fave Doc colors
     
  17. Nico Samuel Pleninsek

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    get em both! those are my 2 fave Doc colors

    There is the going broke part! I do want to get one pair early fall though.
     
  18. bbaquiran

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    Oh wells, I'm ordering one of the "Made in England" versions in either blue or RED. Damn, I'm going broke.

    Hey Nico look here: http://www.britboot.co.uk/

    Prices look a bit steep but they have a nice selection.
     
  19. Nico Samuel Pleninsek

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    Hey Nico look here: http://www.britboot.co.uk/

    Prices look a bit steep but they have a nice selection.


    Cool site, this is the first time I've heard of Solovair. I'm taking it that they once manufactured the Doc Martens?

    NVM, this question was answered earlier in the thread.

    Is there a US shop that sells the Solovairs?
     
  20. Surfrider

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    I've never considered those fellas to be "skinheads"
    That's YOU, but I'd bet that when 99% of the population hears the word "skinhead," the first thing they think of is a bunch of shaved-headed, jackbooted fucks wearing swastikas and committing hate crimes. Anyway, I just wanted confirmation that you indeed meant what I THOUGHT you mean. I really know very little about skins; not much more than that a small(ish) group of high-profile assholes did enough to tarnish the image of the entire subculture.
    The whacked skinhead scene has never been black/white (no pun intended) with a lot of confused dynamics to it.
    Maybe I'm a bit simplistic in my views, but I've always felt that the space between "racist pieces of shit" and "everybody else" was a pretty good place to draw a dividing line. [​IMG]
     

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