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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. Wes Bourne

    Wes Bourne Well-Known Member

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    I like the red on that one. The red triangle on the bezel insert is reminiscent of the 6538. And several vintage Subs and Sea Dwellers featured red text on the dial. As for the gap between the bracelet and case, I suppose the winning bidder can always buy a regular BB ss bracelet with solid curved end links to put on that watch.
     
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  2. Wes Bourne

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    Really, where? Afaik, the MSRP for the bracelet version is a couple hundred more than the strap version in the US and Canada. Applies to both the Burgundy and Midnight Blue BB.
     
  3. mimo

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    Yeah that is the point: the AD at Doha airport has simply bumped the price of the strap because everyone wants that version.
     
  4. Dino944

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    Interesting interview. AP is the original luxury sports watch. For me when considering getting a watch in its class, the only watches I seriously considered were the RO, Nautilus, and VC Overseas. I prefer the RO just a tad more than the Nautilus, but IMHO they were both notch and just a bit above the VC in terms of finish and but far beyond it in terms of design. IMHO, there are enough differences between the AP and PP that even though they have similarities (even using the same base movement in the early models), one could happily own each and it would not be redundant. I could be happy adding a 5711 or 5712 at some point. But it is something I would only want in addition to a RO not instead of a RO. It will be interesting to see what happens next year for the 20th Anniversary of the Overseas...whether they will just give us limited editions or whether they will give us an entirely new design.

    While I respect Mr. Biver and think he is an interesting character, I disagree with his assessment of the design similarities starting out as early as he believes they did. I think the early Hublots were different enough that they were not viewed as copies of the RO even though each used a porthole as inspiration. The Hublot was smaller, thinner, more sleek, quartz, less expensive, and IMHO its most interesting contribution to the watch world was being the first to use a rubber strap. Hublot really didn't start to look like RO's until about 10 years after the Offshore was released . I don't think that by offering the Offshore on a rubber strap, it took on looking more like a Hublot as it was a tremendous watch in terms of size and a very bold design when released in 1993. I think the rubber strap is actually one of the least dramatic or impressive features of an Offshore, while it was a major design element of the early Hublots of the 80s. IMHO the Offshore became a target for Hublot (which was basically a stagnant company when Mr. Biver took over) and they modeled their Big Bang using the Offshore as a formula to follow.

    In the end I think the interesting part is that during the interview they described the RO and Nautilus as being friends. I don't think that is the case at all. They are direct competitors, and still are. However, collectors have grown to appreciate both and so some people own both. In addition, it impresses me that they have become as popular as they are today. It actually took a long time for the RO and Nautilus to catch on and become popular even with die hard AP and PP collectors. The RO caught on much sooner and the Nautilus has really come into its own in about the last 10 years (largely fanned by concerns of collectors and speculators that Patek was going to stop making steel watches, something we now know is false).

    For me the RO and Nautilus are both great watches. Hublot offered great value and was interesting when it came on the scene in the early 80s. At the price of a Big Bang which can often cost as much as an AP or Nautilus,...they just are of no interest to me.

    The bracelet design with the gap is intended to remind people of the early Oyster bracelets and how they attached to the Oyster cases (around the 40s). I am sure its designed to be strong enough to withstand whatever you can dish out, but I can see its not for everyone. Looking forward to seeing what you decide! [​IMG]
     
  5. Wes Bourne

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    Gotcha. So, is that AD effectively selling the strap version higher than list price because of demand?
     
  6. Dino944

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    Bring it to a Movado service center and they will advise you as to what they can do with it. I'm not quite clear about the construction of your watch as you talk about metal under a black coating. Some watches can be polished if they are steel, gold, platinum etc. Others if they have some type of coating may or may not be able to be recoated after the scratches are buffed out. Good luck.
     
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  7. GoudaBuddha42

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    Hey guys!

    I know Salvatore is not known for watches and can be overpriced. I found one I like though for only 430$! It is part of their 1898 lineup.

    What you guys think?


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  8. TheWraith

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    ^ Don't like. There's plenty better to be had at that price. Check out the Poor Man's Watch thread here on Style Forum for just those sorts of watches.
     
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  9. in stitches

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    Lots of great pick ups in here.

    Regarding servicing. As of late, in my line of work, I have found that for the most part, refinishing of a brushed surface is the only standard work item that I think factory service cant be beat. For almost any normal repair, standard service and lube, and for polishing of mirror finished surfaces, there are so many really great watch makers I have found that can do it for a fraction of the price, and have it back to you in a matter of weeks.

    I really cant preach the need for sending something back to the factory unless its still under warranty, or its the type of high level watch that you want to make sure that if something goes wrong, you have the factory to blame, and they will take care of it (not that thats even a sure thing), not an independent watch maker. Ymmv, but thats my opinion as a man in the industry.
     
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    + 1 on the Ferragamo - looks like branded tat to me. Probably $50 worth of watch + some logos. You'll find a decent watch for that budge as Wraith says.
     
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    +1 … plenty of good watches to be had in the $400-$500 range if that's your budget.
     
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  12. Novelty77

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    Thanks for sharing your input on this. Great to hear it from a experienced watch collector point of view. Early version of hublot like the fusion range really do take design cue from the porthole.
    But I have agree to that the big bang is really modelled after the ROO. I guess that's the only way a watch company can move forward. Designing something from scratch and approval from the masses really takes a long time. Borrowing something that already is popular and built on that is way easier and faster in producing revenue and hopefully more $$$ goes into R&D in their watches. Creating revenue is still no.1 priority in watch making, even PP and AP had to go into quartz as at the time the paradigm shift towards quartz has greatly affect their in-house movement. Coming back, FP Journe is really a remarkable man as he is able to produce such original design even at this decade where watches seems to be homogeneous be it dress/sports/divers/perpetual/dueltime.
     
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    Novelty77 Well-Known Member

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    Remember the issue I had with the DSOTM strap? where the fabric came out of the free loop?

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    Did a lil DIY project.

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    Superglued the damn thing back. Its actually not a bad solution, the super glue
    glued it in place and made the loop harder as well. The perforated strap also allows for easy
    absorption of the super glue making things easier. problem solved. [​IMG]
     
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    Clearly you are, I say as I rush home to take delivery of my second purchase.
     
  15. rnguy001

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    welcome to TWAT. I normally keep negative criticism to myself but since you're soliciting.. I find it a waste of $430 personally. If you like the black pvd/quartz look there are tons from other cheaper better brands. i.e. Seiko. R
     
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  16. Dillardiv

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    Glad it worked out, but kind of a bummer of a problem to have in the first place. Always feels good fixing stuff yourself!
     
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  17. Dino944

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    Don't bother. Most clothing design companies don't make watches worth buying. I'd rather have a Seiko, a Hamilton, or maybe something vintage/preowned. There is a thread for less expensive watches and they may have some good suggestions for you. Wishing you luck!
     
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  18. Tried and True

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    Yep. A factory finishing job requires a lapping machine and a qualified technician; a combination rarely found outside of a major manufacturer, much less an independent repair shop.

    My repair guy has the machine and, more importantly, a former Big Three finisher operating it. The guy's a magician.


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    Oh crap, he found the watch thread!!!
     
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  20. BLAUGRANA

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    Yep, red kills it.
     
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