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The Ultimate Vass (Footwear) Thread (Pictures, reviews, sizing, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. RogerP

    RogerP Well-Known Member

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    Those Kermit shoes are fantastic! Green would never have occurred to me, but those look terrific with jeans. This place is dangerous.

    Yes, the Budapesters are U-last, the double-monks are K.

    Here's one shot on-foot - having a little extra fun with the socks:

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    And a close-up:

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  2. MRMan

    MRMan Well-Known Member

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    After lurking this thread for some time I have finally gone ahead with ordering. I thought I'd deal with Vass directly and then compare total cost and ease of transaction to working with a proxy on future orders. Dealing with Vass has been surprisingly simple and pleasant, but I'm starting to have my doubts re: any cost savings.

    My inquiry: London model with stitched uppers, F-last, 6125 dark cognac calf, double to single sole, flush metal toe taps
    Cost: 420 euro + 30 (trees) + 20 (toe plates) + 35 shipping (Fedex) = 505 euros ($675 CAD/USD)

    Even using CurrencyFair (which I signed up for after reading some positive press) and assuming a miracle of no duties/brokerage fees (which has never happened for me for anything marked > $20 and I order overseas or from the US all the time), it looks like proxies win (assuming they still run at $650). Maybe that assumption is wrong and you can forget this whole thing.

    Am I missing something? If there is a VAT deduction then I may be out ahead, but somewhere I read Vass doesn't do that. That price is more than fair for the apparent quality, but I've just always thought there was a premium when dealing with proxies.
     
  3. RogerP

    RogerP Well-Known Member

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    ^^^ Sounds to me like you're a little bit ahead of the game in pricing, though without being able to compare this specific model as offered from another source, it's hard to say.

    If they are shipped by FedEx, you WILL get dinged for duties AND taxes AND brokerage fees (assuming you are in Canada). Which adds up to ouch. I avoid couriers whenever possible and go by a trackable postal method with local postal delivery at my end. Odds of not getting gouged are far better than miraculous.
     
  4. mimo

    mimo Well-Known Member

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    They should deduct VAT from everything but the shipping charge (that's a service delivered to them, so not deductible as goods for export outside the EU. They refer to VAT deductions on their pricing so I can't see why they wouldn't. VAT in Hungary is 27 % so:

    (420 + 30 + 20) / 1.27 + 35 = 405 Euros = $541

    That said, I've heard horrible things about duty and brokerage fees from couriers in North America, and I don't know what your transaction costs will be. As I understand it, Vass don't like to use the local postal service to send via EMS, because they've had problems with them. The downside (and I've found this where I live too), is that the EMS parcel delivery (used by most postal services) tends to bypass the whole customs thing pretty easily, even though it's slower. But Fedex DHL etc always end up paying the duty and claiming it back from you. Where I am, there are no fees for that, and duty is only 5% anyway. But still, it's an annoyance.

    I suspect that if you're receiving via Fedex in North America, and taking into account exchange and bank transfer fees, it might end up costing you that $100 difference: the proxies who can post to you via EMS probably save you everything they make. I'd probably go direct, but if I were in America I might well use a proxy.
     
  5. sdolina

    sdolina Well-Known Member

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    Last May I've paid 360 euros without VAT for the calf DM including trees , shipping extra.
    So you probably forgot to exclude VAT

    PS And VASS can mark your shoes a test samples (no cost), to reduce duties.
     
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  6. niklasnordin

    niklasnordin Well-Known Member

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    Oh man, Im loving this :) Grats on both the shoes, the monks looks really good.
     
  7. TheTukker

    TheTukker Well-Known Member

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    Yes; custom duties.
     
  8. n-domino

    n-domino Well-Known Member

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    My first pair of Vass.

    Theresianer High Boot in Cognac Scotchgrain, F-last, Vibram sole - by far the best fit in a RTW last.





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  9. Hampton

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    Lovely!
     
  10. justsayno

    justsayno Well-Known Member

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    I paid EU 590 including shipping to US for a cordovan budapester MTO directly from Vass.

    I felt that was a fair price, especially in my case where Vass will take back shoes that are not made to satisfaction.
     
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  11. n-domino

    n-domino Well-Known Member

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    I have a question:

    Do the shoe trees only come in full sizes? I ordered my boots in a size 41.5 and the trees included are labeled a 41. That is assuming the boots I ordered are indeed a 41.5. They fit perfectly, nonetheless.
     
  12. SuitedDx

    SuitedDx Well-Known Member

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    These look excellent. I also like to color combination. Wear in good health.
     
  13. FrankCowperwood

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    Ha ha. A little weird they definitely are. Thanks!
    Great looking. Thanks for the extra photo.
    What's the feel like of the scotchgrain from Vass? Is it a soft leather? I recently got a pair of scotchgrain boots from another maker, my first experience with the leather, and it is a fairly hard leather. Durable, though, I'd think.
     
  14. mbeebe

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    Yes... or at least this has been my experience. My 42.5's came with trees marked 42. The trees have little spring in them and form a perfect fit once inserted into the shoe.
     
  15. bertie

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    I've done the same math to Canada. Duty on shoes is 18 percent I think which offsets VAT deduction. I've used a proxy as I keep seeing a wash in the delivered cost. In addition FedEx seems to add random brokerage fees which can add up. Please let us know whaurgeur final cost is as a point of reference.
     
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  16. n-domino

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    I would say the scotchgrain is relatively soft; the lining, however, is very soft. The outer leather is pliable but definitely has a certain amount of toughness - after one wear for approximately two hours the shaft has already conformed well to my lower leg. I purchased these for foul weather use - and everyday use as well - so I expect the leather to hold its own. Time will tell.
     
  17. FrankCowperwood

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    Thanks for the details. They look great. Enjoy.
     
  18. n-domino

    n-domino Well-Known Member

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    Thank you - I'll make sure to enjoy them. I'm already planning my second purchase. Vass may become my primary source of shoes. Mr. Kuti is a pleasure to deal with, the prices are very reasonable, the order and delivery at 4 weeks is impressive, and the shoes themselves are fantastic. All in all a very good experience.
     
  19. MRMan

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    Thank you all for your help. I will inquire about VAT reduction, proceed with the order, and cross my fingers for reasonable customs/brokerage fees. It sounds like Vass does their part to minimize those fees. At least I had a chance to speak with the infamous Mr. Kuti. Fantastic gentlemen, very helpful, and quick to respond.
     
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  20. RogerP

    RogerP Well-Known Member

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    Well however is all shakes out, I am sure you will enjoy your new shoes. Pics mandatory. [​IMG]
     

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