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The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, Nov 22, 2011.

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  1. Van Veen

    Van Veen Well-Known Member

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    Do you think Cole Haans or Kenneth Coles will go better with this?

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    (... been to 3 weddings this year ... this was the tux-of-choice for all three.)
     
  2. unbelragazzo

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    Ha, is that that CK PoS? I think I had to wear that one last summer too.
     
  3. mrbrioni

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    I recently purchased a midnight navy, 1 button shawl collar, Kiton dinner jacket that I'd like to wear to a wedding in a month or so.

    1. It came with side vents, a proper dinner jacket does not have vents, correct?

    2. I was told I wear black tuxedo pants with the jacket, and since the facing of the jacket is navy silk, a navy bow tie, what color shoes do I wear?


    Thanks!
     
  4. mrbrioni

    mrbrioni Well-Known Member

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    Also, anyone know where I can find a navy cummerbund?

    I assume since my bow will be navy the cummerbund has to match?
     
  5. KObalto

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    Black shoes.
     
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    Thanks!!

    Navy cummerbund too, right? Ditch the cummerbund?
     
  7. F. Corbera

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    Is the jacket patterned?

    If not, it sounds like an orphaned jacket from a dinner suit. If it is, you should get rid of it.
     
  8. johnvw

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    Except most "standard" SB suit jackets have notch lapels and either 2 or 3 buttons.
     
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    :nodding: :fonz:
     
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    1. The most correct is ventless, but if I could do it over again, I'd have my dinner jacket made with vents. Much more practical. Unvented jackets are difficult to sit in. I'd keep them.

    2. What? That sounds odd. The trouser fabric should match the jacket's. The point of midnight blue is to look blacker than black, not to look blue--which is what will happen to a midnight blue jacket when paired with black pants. Also, I'd wear a black bow tie. I do with my midnight blue dinner suit. Black shoes as well.


    Pick black for both. If you really want the cummerbund to be midnight blue, order one made in exactly the same cloth as used for the facing of your jacket. Otherwise, I would not consider midnight blue an option.
     
  11. mafoofan

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    Don't ditch the cummerbund. Something should cover the area above your waistband to ensure no shirt shoes under your jacket button. Also, it helps keep your dinner shirt tucked in neatly.
     
  12. mafoofan

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    True, but structurally they are the same thing. Buttoning point shouldn't really move, no matter the number of buttons, so long as the jacket is intended to be buttoned in one place.
     
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    No, it is not patterned.

    I spoke to the Kiton rep at saks in Chicago when purchasing this and I was told it is not an orphaned jacked and they do not have matching pants what so ever....

    What do you guys suggest? keep it? Is it weird?
     
  14. urfloormatt

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    Yeah, because the President buys his tux off the rack. Politicians by and large dress like idiots because the majority of their constituents are idiots.
     
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    Is he trying to the young Korean or Chinese look with that suit?
     
  16. F. Corbera

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    Did you buy it at Saks?

    If it is a dinner jacket in solid midnight blue, then all of your questions, and responses of others, concerning details and accessories are completely beside the point.

    You have a mismatched jacket, and there is no detail nor accessory that will help make it look otherwise.

    If you bought it at Saks, return it to the Kiton rep who told you that Kiton made it to be sold without matching pants.
     
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    Thanks!

    I will try to find the matching pants in the company, and if they don't have it I will return it.

    I appreciate all the help guys.
     
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    Speaking of which, for patterned jackets, do we just use plain tuxedo trousers? Like can i take the pants from my actual tux to use with the pattered jacket?
     
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    You're welcome.


    Yes. You may also use those trousers from your dinner suit with solid cream or off-white dinner jacket for summer (or in climates that are warm beyond summer.)

    It is also possible to wear semi-formal trousers in a matched pattern with a patterned dinner jacket. I've only seen a couple guys do this, and it's really great...but, not for the timid.

    By "patterned," I mean one that is obvious at a distance, like a big plaid. Fine patterns that are only visible up close (e.g., a small herringbone) in black or midnight blue are okay or even swell, and you can treat them like a solid in either color.
     
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    Return it, unless you can find the matching pants that they claim they didn't make.

    Do you mean like a madras or plaid DJ? If yes, then wear with black or midnight tuxedo trousers, or plain black or midnight trousers (especially if the DJ is self-faced). Fine patterns (barathea, micro herringbone, etc.) should have matching pants.
     
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