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The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, Nov 22, 2011.

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  1. Andy57

    Andy57 Well-Known Member

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    In that company, I'm sure no one noticed your shirt buttons!
     
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    (Un)Fortunately so few people even know about black tie it isn't an issue. I, myself had to substitute a white shirt for a proper tuxedo (or studded) shirt due to a pre-event mishap. As long as you don't draw too much attention to it, let your natural charisma and savior faire carry you through it.
     
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    Has anyone ever used Black Kimono Silk Chirimen for Dinner Jacket facings?
     
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    Brooks Brothers dinner jacket and trousers (that I got in the seventies), Thomas Pink pique (Marcella) shirt, Barney's grosgrain tie and vest, and Allen-Edmonds Ritz black patent leather pumps.......

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    I never realized how boring traditional black tie looks... it's funny, to other non-style forumites, I bet they think that the tuxedo/dinner suit is top notch just by virtue of the black and white ensemble (they won't nitpick on lapels and studs etc).

    but I see more of a boring black "suit"....

    I have been infected with a vision of semi-foppish style being more "stylish"

    What do you all think of something less traditional like this:

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    and also, I have this nagging idea of using a black watch tartan bow tie...
     
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    @Roycru

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but while those are quite beautiful patent leather pumps, isn't a patent leather oxford best suited to black tie while a patent leather pump is best suited to white tie?
     
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    My personal opinion on traditional black tie is that the elegance and beauty is in the cleanliness and classicness (if that's even a word...) of the black (I refer to both midnight blue and black in this case) and white ensemble.

    On the 2 tuxedos in the photo you showed, I feel that less traditional alternatives if done, well look fine.
    But something like a navy tuxedo looks like a mass produced copycat of the midnight blue skyfall tuxedo.

    Non-styleforumites probably also think that notch lapel tuxedos in latex catsuit like fit by probably Hugo Boss would also be quite top notch...
    Our styleforumite nitpickiness is what I would say makes us stand out in a positive way amongst other badly-dressed men.
     
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    Not RoyCru, but I've always understood pumps and plain toe patent leather to be acceptable with black tie, while pumps are pretty much required with white tie.
     
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    And one can call black tie boring, but it's not supposed to be flashy or interesting. It's the antithesis of peacocking. Elegance and neutrality is the goal.
     
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    I don't really have the opportunity to wear black tie myself, but I think it's about expressing your style within a strict set of rules. The higher the formality (black tie, white tie, morning, etc.) the more strict the rules and less freedom to do what you want, but you can still express your style within those rules. The strict set of rules assure everyone looks good at a minimum standard.

    The lower the formality the less rules and more freedom to express your style, but the freedom also results in more people looking bad. For example you might notice people well dressed in formal suits, sports jackets, but if they dress less formally like in MC casual their lack of sense and style is highlighted.
     
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    I'm in complete agreement.
     
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    Yes, the gentleman's attire is meant to frame the canvas that is the lady he is accompanying. She is the peacock.
     
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    Superb.

    I think you should seek treatment for your infection. There's nothing boring about black tie. If you've ever walked through a room and the crowd just parts as you walk through it, then you'd understand the power of a good dinner jacket.

    Are those lapels supposed to be leather? If they are and if you were to wear such a jacket, you would look, I'm sorry to say, ridiculous.

    Pumps are perfectly acceptable with black tie. As would be other white tie accessories, such as a white marcella vest, say.

    This.

    I agree wholeheartedly with this. But I make my own opportunities. I go out to dinner, I wear a dinner jacket.

    Well, not perhaps a peacock (wrong gender, to say the least), but your point is true. I am but a backdrop to my wife, who dazzled last night in Camille Flawless and Christian Louboutin...

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    I am under 30 (though close to it) perhaps that has something to do with my sentiment of black tie seeming boring.

    and like I said, not to offend anyone, but outside of small circle of clotheshorses and dandy aspirants and fops, no one will care if you aren't wearing "classic" men's black tie ensemble.
     
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    I wouldn't think that was it.
     
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    I quite like black tie, I think it is rather elegant. Im 23, so I don't think its your age. I will say, I am not a fan of coattails & the dress for royal ascot, but that might be because I have little use for such dress.
     
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    All bespoke. Luckily it still fits after some loosening.
     
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    I just recently turned 30 myself, so I'm not sure if age has much to do with it. I actually don't mind it being called boring (it kind of is), but pointed out that there's elegance in simplicity which is kind of the point. Most people (not "no one") won't care if you get all the details right, but it still looks good when you do get them right. Also, more people will "notice" that something is not right than "care." It's exhausting to actually care too much about how other people dress, so most people (outside of the occasional snob), even clotheshorses, don't bother. The other thing I think is worth considering is that most of us don't wear black tie nearly often enough to get bored with the look (I wear my dinner jacket 6 times in a good year, probably 3-4 in a more average year.

    Also, the whole "[most people] won't care" argument is true to varying degrees for most things in menswear. It's not just black tie where not doing it right may not attract negative attention. I see poor examples of fits across the formality spectrum everyday, but have never seen that as a reason to not take care to do things right.
     
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    Then in 15 years, your girlfriend will see your prom picture and laugh at how bad you looked because you wanted to stand out and thought that classic black tie was "boring." Theoretically, of course.
     
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