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The poker tips and bragging thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by idfnl, May 25, 2010.

  1. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Well-Known Member

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    i'm just giving a little advice, because spoo's play was not optimal imo.
    i will lose my entire stack there too because hitting trips in a reraised pot is godly, but at least by raising to 30 pf, his call pf with 77 was not a optimal call, since sets only hit 12% of the time, and he will fold to my c-bet alot of the time when anything above 10 comes on the flop regardless if i hit my A or K.


    Im not saying it was optimal, but by no means was it a donk move reraising with AK that much (ok, maybe could have been a little more). It was a low stakes game with loose players late at night. Im not throwing it all out unless Im wired.
     
  2. laughwithm3

    laughwithm3 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you Sho - Ive been playing for the past 18 years, I know the deal. Im by no means the best player in the world, but Ive got more hours at a table than most people do. Not reading some online 'zine or watching WPT reruns [​IMG]

    ok... i assume you don't multitable or use poker tracker type software?
    if you play alot of online poker, i suggest getting PT, so you can review your plays and stats, and it tells you the detailed stats of players on the table while you are playing, very helpful tool. i guess you could call it a "zine", but aren't you suppose to get any advantage possible as a poker player?
     
  3. driveslowk

    driveslowk Well-Known Member

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    number of hands > number of hours
     
  4. alan

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    Spoo's biggest mistake was preflop, you should just about never miniraise preflop, plus youre buying in with 1/4 of a buyin on a table, dont do that unless youre familiar with shortstacking strategy and even then youre better off just playing full buyins at lower stakes.

    The problem is youre not thinking about it long term and thinking about this one situation. When you miniraise preflop you just gave the right odds for just about any 2 hands 2 cvall you. And long term theyll outdraw you on the flop enough times to make this a losing play.

    wtf at wanting to get multiple people in the pot oop with ak and with a shorstack.

    Just be open to criticism and to learn other aspects of the game, itll improve your play.

    I used to post my hands in a poker forum and get slaughtered and thats how i got better.

    PLay full buyin, lower stakes, and join a poker forum if youre serious about getting better.
     
  5. alan

    alan Well-Known Member

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    spoo. poker 'players' always talk after the fact. like they know everything. look at hellmuth spouting off everytime he loses a hand. 'he was supposed to fold that hand' . pssht. fucker.


    poeple always around the table talk after the hand is over. oh you caught my card. youre suposed to do this or that. i wouldnt play it like that. etc.

    pshht. theybe doing the same thing i did if they had the same exact hand and circumstance.


    Sho, go post the hand and dont show results on two + two. ALl the repllies youll get will laugh at the miniraise.

    Its a fundamental theoretical mistake.
     
  6. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Well-Known Member

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    Spoo's biggest mistake was preflop, you should just about never miniraise preflop, plus youre buying in with 1/4 of a buyin on a table, dont do that unless youre familiar with shortstacking strategy and even then youre better off just playing full buyins at lower stakes.

    The problem is youre not thinking about it long term and thinking about this one situation. When you miniraise preflop you just gave the right odds for just about any 2 hands 2 cvall you. And long term theyll outdraw you on the flop enough times to make this a losing play.

    wtf at wanting to get multiple people in the pot oop with ak and with a shorstack.

    Just be open to criticism and to learn other aspects of the game, itll improve your play.

    I used to post my hands in a poker forum and get slaughtered and thats how i got better.

    PLay full buyin, lower stakes, and join a poker forum if youre serious about getting better.


    Im almost tired of explaining this hand, mistakes or not, but for the 15th time I WAS NOT SHORTSTACKED I had more than 4/10 ppl on the table and came in with more than the minumum suggested buyin.

    /discussion of this hand
     
  7. gamblor

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    You should post some more hands, this is interesting.

    Also, people are using shortstack to describe the absolute size of your stack, (such as less than 30 times the big blind) not your size relative to others. If you were at a 2/4 table where all players had $100, all would be shortstacks in general use of the term, even though they all had the same amount.
     
  8. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Well-Known Member

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    You should post some more hands, this is interesting.

    Also, people are using shortstack to describe the absolute size of your stack, (such as less than 30 times the big blind) not your size relative to others. If you were at a 2/4 table where all players had $100, all would be shortstacks in general use of the term, even though they all had the same amount.


    THat I understand, but I dont think thats the term they are using by saying shortstack.

    Anyhow, maybe later this evening I will set up a table again and see if anyone cares to join - and I will pray I get AK on the button [​IMG]
     
  9. alan

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    THat I understand, but I dont think thats the term they are using by saying shortstack. Anyhow, maybe later this evening I will set up a table again and see if anyone cares to join - and I will pray I get AK on the button [​IMG]
    Your stack relative to others doesnt matter. Its relative to the blinds. A full buyin would be 100 big blinds usually. The better you are the deeper you want to play usually. Shortstacking is usually used as a way for players either to take shots theyre not properly bankrolled for, or to minimize the difference in skills postflop against better players since usually shortstacks either finish the hand preflop or have a very easy push or fold decision postflop. And btw, if youre praying for AK on the button, buy in deep so you can actually use the positional advantage... Anyway, i thought you wanted other peoples opinion, nevermind.
     
  10. idfnl

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    /discussion of this hand

    Raise 1
     
  11. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Well-Known Member

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    Raise 1

    All in
     
  12. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    So when you play online for real scratch how do you fill an online account up? CC?
     
  13. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Well-Known Member

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    So when you play online for real scratch how do you fill an online account up? CC?

    Direct deposit from your bank acct.
     
  14. Nouveau Pauvre

    Nouveau Pauvre Well-Known Member

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    So I'm off to my Memorial Day game. It's a house game I've played on and off in and the play style varies a lot. Some people are retarded loose andw ill call anything anywhere, a couple other players are tighter and I think one or two might secretly be good strategic players but it's hard to tell with the mess that goes on.

    My ultra tight noob style has actually done pretty well before so I'm thinking I just continue playing tight and value betting until at least a couple players are knocked out? I can't make moves on the retarded loose players for obvious reasons but I also don't think I can get away with it on the guys who might actually be decent.

    Another factor is the game is kind of short stacked, buy in is only 100 bbs.
     
  15. Nouveau Pauvre

    Nouveau Pauvre Well-Known Member

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    Also I'm the youngest player at the table by like five years at least.
     
  16. nbouscal

    nbouscal Active Member

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    Here is another reason I'm not willing to play online with random people:

    Whats to stop 2 or 3 guys on IM feeding eachother their hands? They could sit there all day mopping up.


    A lot of people get banned from the main sites for exactly that, they have some pretty decent safeguards in place to detect it. It does still happen though, you just have to be careful and aware.

    I play on Full Tilt (sn: Faded TV), if anyone ever wants to get a game together I'd definitely be in. I know you can set up private tourneys on there, never done it myself though.

    Magician, playing tight at home games is almost always the best strategy. Unless your playing home games with other people who take poker seriously, the players will usually be very loose. As conventional wisdom says, when the field is loose play tight and vice versa. Also, if you haven't already done so, read Caro's Book of Tells. It doesn't apply in casinos as much anymore because it's so exploitable but it definitely applies in home games.
     
  17. Nouveau Pauvre

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    Re: the house game. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I start out playing good tight poker, take out one of the loose dudes and have the tallest stack. Then a guy shows up late to buy in - fine - except they make him buy off other players instead of the bank. WTF. There were plenty of leftover chips. Not only that since I was tall stack they made me sell him some of mine. I got in a big argument and got kind of pissed.

    Because the table is so loose, it takes BIG raises to get anyone out pre-flop. I then learn they have a rule when you can only bet $.75 pre-flop? WTF again? yes this is NL hold em with no option to go all in pre-flop. I get in a big argument again and go way on tilt and throw almost my whole stack away to the one truly strong player there.

    Then I play smart, tight poker and grind my way back up till I have a decent stack. Then this hand falls:

    AQs and I'm on the button. Few calls and folds then I make the retarded maximum $.75 big blind raise - which hasn't gone up even though the big blind is now $.20 and thank god only one dude calls. Of course he is the only strong player there.

    Flop: QQK

    I bet $2.50 in line with the strong c-bets I've been making. and the dude calls:

    turn: K falls and I bet the pot, he calls

    river: 4 falls, dude bets $5, I raise him all in. He calls and of course he has boat over boat on me with the last king.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  18. driveslowk

    driveslowk Well-Known Member

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    you should just call the river, no reason to raise all in because he rarely calls with worse, which would be any lower Q. (depending on how much more it was for the all in)

    Games like these are tiltifying don't take them too seriously.
     
  19. Nouveau Pauvre

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    you should just call the river, no reason to raise all in because he rarely calls with worse, which would be any lower Q. (depending on how much more it was for the all in) Games like these are tiltifying don't take them too seriously.
    I think I should probably have backed off as soon as the second king fell, but yeah. Definitely was not playing my best all night. Not that it's ever easy to lay down a boat.
     
  20. GQgeek

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    wtf are they limiting pre-flop betting for? If they don't want the pot to get too big, just lower the blinds, don't bastardize the game...
     

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