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The Official Wine Thread

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by audiophilia, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. audiophilia

    audiophilia Well-Known Member

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    I don't really know much about wine, but I had this bottle and enjoyed it over the weekend.

    2003 Silverado Cab

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  2. audiophilia

    audiophilia Well-Known Member

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    Well I did a quick google and this is what I came up with, which pretty much sums it really:



    It's a blend of Grenache, Syrah, and Mourvedre, which also explains why I liked it so much as it has two of my favourite varitals in it.


    Man, I love the Rhone wines. The Gigondas was excellent. I love the Perrin Vacquyras. Had a Guigal Cote de Rhone tonite. The guest said not to decant. Hmmm?
     
  3. audiophilia

    audiophilia Well-Known Member

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    I don't like the style of Grange or the other big Penfolds wines, which I think are overpriced and over rated. I certainly would not knowingly drink wine that has tannin (and who knows what other chemicals) added to it. There are much better shiraz and shiraz blends available for a better price.


    Have you tried Gemtree Uncut Shiraz (CAD$27.00) or D'Arenberg's The Dead Arm Shiraz (CAD$55.00)? The former excellent, the latter effing brilliant!
     
  4. gomestar

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    Man, I love the Rhone wines. The Gigondas was excellent. I love the Perrin Vacquyras. Had a Guigal Cote de Rhone tonite. The guest said not to decant. Hmmm?

    fail on their part. While everybody has their own taste, it has been scientifically proven that decanting red wines for a little is beneficial no matter how cheap or how expensive (the 'negative' compounds like sulfates, sulfides, etc. will break down by oxygen before the fruit compounds). I routinely decant inexpensive reds, and a CdR is certainly in that group. There would not be a need to decant for 15-20 hours, but IMO 2-3 hours would be doing it a whole lot of good.
     
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    Silverado is generally a well regarded winery. But I had a problem with their 2004 or 2005, I forget which vintage.

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    I don't like the style of Grange or the other big Penfolds wines, which I think are overpriced and over rated. I certainly would not knowingly drink wine that has tannin (and who knows what other chemicals) added to it. There are much better shiraz and shiraz blends available for a better price.

    Overpriced, I agree. Overrated, I disagree. Tannins are an integral part of wine that occur naturally in the skins and stems of the grapes. To my understanding, tannins are not added to red wines, though they can sometimes be added to white wine (or whites can pick it up naturally by oak aging).

    The amount of "chemicals" added to wine is quite small in most cases. Additives in the production process are typically not chemicals to begin with. Examples may include sugar (for under-ripened grapes or to add a boost of alcohol post fermentation. the process is called chaptalization), malic acid (to counter over-ripe grapes, achieved through malolactic fermentation), citric acid (mostly in whites), sulfites which are added sometimes to kill bacteria during fermentation (though they also occur naturally in wine), and tartaric acid. Finning is often done with egg whites in many parts of France and Italy.
     
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    Overpriced, I agree. Overrated, I disagree. Tannins are an integral part of wine that occur naturally in the skins and stems of the grapes. To my understanding, tannins are not added to red wines, though they can sometimes be added to white wine (or whites can pick it up naturally by oak aging).

    The amount of "chemicals" added to wine is quite small in most cases.


    Penfold typically adds tannin powder to Grange (and their other wines).

    I appreciate that tannin is a component of wine but so is sugar (before fermentation) and so is alcohol - and I would not touch a wine that had sugar or alcohol added, either.

    I'm just not in favour of frankenwines.
     
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    I routinely decant inexpensive reds, and a CdR is certainly in that group. .
    Haha, not if it is a Guigal "la-la"
     
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    Have you tried Gemtree Uncut Shiraz (CAD$27.00) or D'Arenberg's The Dead Arm Shiraz (CAD$55.00)? The former excellent, the latter effing brilliant!

    I haven't tried the Gemtree, but have had crates of the Dead Arm in the past. It is a very good wine. I no longer like a big fruit-dominated Shiraz, and prefer the more subtle rhone style shiraz blends, unless I am drinking without food, or at a barbecue.
     
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    Bastard! [​IMG]


    The problem was that was the first bottle of the night. The rest didn't taste so great after that one...
     
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    I appreciate that tannin is a component of wine but so is sugar (before fermentation) and so is alcohol - and I would not touch a wine that had sugar or alcohol added, either. I'm just not in favour of frankenwines.
    chaptalization is a pretty standard process in many parts of the world, include Alsace and Germany. And what about port??? IMO the use of oak should also be seen as an additive, and oak can be one of the largest factors in how a wine tastes and IMO ruins more wines than an imbalance of alcohol or acid.
     
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    fail on their part. While everybody has their own taste, it has been scientifically proven that decanting red wines for a little is beneficial no matter how cheap or how expensive (the 'negative' compounds like sulfates, sulfides, etc. will break down by oxygen before the fruit compounds). I routinely decant inexpensive reds, and a CdR is certainly in that group. There would not be a need to decant for 15-20 hours, but IMO 2-3 hours would be doing it a whole lot of good.

    +1

    But, I was not about to contradict my guest. Wanted to, though! LOL
     
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    Ahhh! Cheers! I really liked the Clos du Mont-Olivet, Font de Blanche a friend gave me a while back. It was a very warm and well rounded pour! [​IMG]
    Looks lovely. New glasses, Pand?
     
  14. PandArts

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    Looks lovely.

    New glasses, Pand?



    It was a very nice bottle! The GF and I were sitting with our neighbors one evening and they came out with a bottle of this...they had just picked up a case...and the four of us knocked back two bottles before it was time to go home...but not before they refilled our glasses...shown in the photo...and gave us a bottle of this loverly CdR of our own...also featured in the photo...I will buy that one for myself for certain. It was one of the first wines from the other side of the Pyrenees that I have had thus far in my journey. The first was a neat little Fitou from a very small bottle to order vineyard.

    So to answer your question in short about the glasses...nope that be the neighbors [​IMG]
     
  15. gomestar

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    I was pretty excited at the shot of a solid wine glass too. But alas, my hopes were crushed.



    I'm hosting a housewarming party sometime next week to celebrate the new apartment. On tap I'm thinking about a 2005 Valpolicella Classico, a super Tuscan from Orenllaia, a Vermentino from the Antinori family, and I have an extremely young 2006 St. Emillion Grand Cru that I think would be nice to preview.
     
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    I was pretty excited at the shot of a solid wine glass too. But alas, my hopes were crushed.



    I'm hosting a housewarming party sometime next week to celebrate the new apartment. On tap I'm thinking about a 2005 Valpolicella Classico, a super Tuscan from Orenllaia, a Vermentino from the Antinori family, and I have an extremely young 2006 St. Emillion Grand Cru that I think would be nice to preview.


    LOL! I know I really enjoyed having them around for a few days. But they came from IKEA so not too hard or expensive to pick up. I still want to check out what deal I can get through my friend at Crate & Barrel...a 40% employee discount could be quite nice...and might save me enough money to buy a ticket to NYC to crash an upcoming housewarming [​IMG]
     
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    I was pretty excited at the shot of a solid wine glass too. But alas, my hopes were crushed.



    I'm hosting a housewarming party sometime next week to celebrate the new apartment. On tap I'm thinking about a 2005 Valpolicella Classico, a super Tuscan from Orenllaia, a Vermentino from the Antinori family, and I have an extremely young 2006 St. Emillion Grand Cru that I think would be nice to preview.


    Directions and address via PM, please.

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    In the here and now. I know tastes change, but let us know anyway. I could list 100, but these'll do for now. At least we can have a specific list to buy from.

    1. 2005 Quintessa Red
    2. 2006 Caymus Cabernet
    3. 2005 Viader Cabernet
    4. 2005 Sanford Pinot Noir
    5. 2005 Les Christins Vacquyras
    6. 2005 Shafer Hillside Select Cabernet
    7. 2005 Merry Edwards Pinot Noir
    8. 2005 Stags Leap Artemis Cabernet
    9. 2006 Maysara Jamsheed Pinot Noir
    10. 2002 30 Bench Red
     
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    If you're looking to be specific, I'd like to show you something. Here's my Excel for Merry Edwards PN, 2006:

    750ml $61.26 3 2006 Merry Edwards Pinot Noir Olivet Lane (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) 2008-2013 CT90.1
    750ml $43.14 5 2006 Merry Edwards Pinot Noir Russian River Valley (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) 2009-2012 CT90.2
    750ml $54.92 3 2006 Merry Edwards Pinot Noir Coopersmith (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) 2010-2013 IWC88, CT90.9
    1.5L $108.05 2 2006 Merry Edwards Pinot Noir Meredith Estate Russian River Valley (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) 2010-2013 CT89.5
    750ml $54.02 3
    750ml $57.62 2 2006 Merry Edwards Pinot Noir Klopp Ranch (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) 2009-2012 IWC89, CT90.8
    750ml $54.67 4 2006 Merry Edwards Pinot Noir Flax Vineyard

    That's just a cut and paste out of my Cellar Tracker entries. The point is, giving a maker and a vintage isn't specific enough, as I have six different bottlings of ME 2006 Pinots. [​IMG]
     
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