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**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Well-Known Member

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    I'd try to use a 50/50 vinegar/water solution to try to get rid of them. Water acts as litmus paper on leather because it is more alkaline than the leather fibers themselves. Something acidic might work.
     
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    Again, the stain is the result of leather exposed to water that is higher ph than the normal condition of the protein fibers. They want to be in the 3-5 range in the ph scale. Acetone is a ph of 7 and non-polar, bleach is even higher ph, and wouldn't help the situation. I'd give some diluted vinegar a shot. It might take some work to get it out, but I'd venture a guess that saturating the stains in some diluted vinegar and putting a paper towel over it, wetting the paper towel in the solution and putting like cling wrap over it to control evaporation and leave it for a day or two might lift the stain off of the leather and into the paper.
     
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    I've tried to soak and submerge the whole pair of shoes in water overnight and change the water twice in the interim. Dried at an indoor, airy, but no sunlight area. No cigar. Once the dye and impurities sets in, they are set in for good.

    Maybe dark colored shoes could be salvaged but definitely not light colored ones.
     
  4. patrickBOOTH

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    Soaking in water isn't going to do it, you need something acidic to shift the protein fibers of the leather to ionic positive.
     
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    My learned friend....
     
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    Lots of great info guys thanks!

    I might give the 50/50 vinegar water a try and see how it goes, will post results.
     
  7. patrickBOOTH

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    You probably have to let it dwell a bit and control for some evaporation. Worth a shot, make sure you condition afterwards.
     
  8. Goodman

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    So far, based on my personal experience, my boots are not shiny. I prefer a matter shine to a spit shine on all my shoes/boots so I will keep an eye out for that. I care for my shoes sparingly and use a small amount of product when I do. Perhaps that has something to do with it. If, 5 years from now my boots are ruined, I will issue a mea culpa. But, for now, I have had great success taking care of my shoes and will continue to trust my intuition. As far as using on Cordovan, when I purchased my first and only pair of cordovan boots a few months ago I inquired about maintenance and the manager stuck a jar of renovaetur in the box (as a gift) and said that is all you need.
     
  9. patrickBOOTH

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    Beware of salespeople. They usually don't know all of the facts about their products. Then again I thought we were talking about VSC?
     
  10. Goodman

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    So I shouldn't use renovateur on cordovan?

    Unfortunately I have nothing more to say about VSC. My real name is not Larry Venetian so I really don't care if people choose to compliment or disparage the product. If people have had issues with the product they should post their experience here so we can learn from there misfortune. I'm sorry the product has worked for me so far and that I have fallen outside of SF orthodoxy.
     
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    People have opinions which is why we come here, to express them. People often become so entrenched in their positions that they refuse to listen to the suggestions of others. It happens a lot here so accepting that fact is paramount to participating in threads. The only thing I can offer is that reno and lexol have worked for me, I also have picked up some bick 4 and will report back on that later.

    Speaking for myself, I was simply asserting that people often have motives and no one is beyond reproach.
     
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    Oh, for crying out loud...it's not about SF orthodoxy. If anyone is expressing SF orthodoxy...where VSC and Saphir products are revered for no other reason than brand name cachet or the endorsement of high end manufacturers and public relations campaigns...it's you. SF tends to be a place where unfounded opinions and "intuition" often trump objective fact...and the primary reason a product has a following here is that it's made in France, comes in a fancy package, or costs more than all reason or logic would suggest it is worth.

    GlenKaren and Bick4 and a few others are the new kids on the block--they're certifiably unorthodox

    Turpentine is not good for leather. Period.

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  13. patrickBOOTH

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    Go back and re-read our conversation. The topic of conversation was VSC. I told you why I wouldn't use it. What does this have to do with Saphir Renovateur? On the topic of Renovateur, I do feel that it is more of a polish and had less conditioning properties than other products out there by both Saphir and other companies.
     
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    I would take this further and say that nobody can really say whether they have "success" with these products yet as not enough time as gone by to accurately assess them. Glen's products haven't been around that long, and I don't think you have been using Bick4 all that long either. You can put acetone on your shoes where one would use a conditioner, but if you don't do it over a period of time, using the shoe, exposing it to the elements, it won't really show harmful in the short run.

    Also, people confuse something as being harmful to shoes with something that is just not simply helpful. I'd say a large amount of products are split between these categories.
     
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    I agree...a lot of shoe care products contain harmful chemicals--heavy occlusive oils, solvents, etc.--in small enough amounts that no immediate damage is readily apparent. That doesn't mean it isn't happening...just that by the time the damage is done, selective amnesia will kick in and make the effects of wear, environmental insults, and the abuse of indifference, seem more immediate. And the subtle connection between proper maintenance, the health of the leather, as well as its ability to withstand the rigours of use will never be made.

    Of course, that's one of the problems with posting to a forum such as this one...on one level or another exposure to objective information tends to ruin a person--once you are confronted with the facts, it's hard to comfortably retreat back into ignorance. That's not to say you can't close your mind to information that unsettles your world view--plenty of evidence for that right here on SF--but there'll always be that niggling "itch" somewhere deep in your subconscious...

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    Can we apply Occam's Razor, here, in that the simpler answer is likely to be the best? As a relative novice, can i suggest that it might be best just to apply a simple shoe cleaning routine - regardless of pedigree? This discussion runs the risk of that old theological debate of 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin'. Call me stupid, but simplicity is sometimes genius.
     
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  17. patrickBOOTH

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    Munky, what is your profession? Just curious.
     
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    Emeritus Professor in a health care discipline, in the UK, Patrick. Previously full professor, same.
     
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    anyone with triple sole'd shoes that could comment on comfort and noise level? Also, any recommendations of cobblers offering the triple sole recraft?
     
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    I figured everyone here was sub 50 years, assuming one is emeritus only post 50. :)
     

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