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**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. halfnhalfnhalf

    halfnhalfnhalf Well-Known Member

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    Quite a bit, apparently! But that's the great thing about SF . . . if a thread gets tiresome, one can just move on.
     
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    You're right. And, as long as I can get away from it I don't mind it all that much, to tell the truth...not my business. But too often it's just a placeholder in a otherwise serious (or even just interesting) discussion for people who have no rationales, no experience, no knowledge about the subjects they're soapboxing/kibitzing about. It's irritating, if not outright trolling.
     
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    No, I was thinking in terms of leather, not sores on my feet. Those pictures are from several years ago and my feet and developed thick callouses, which protect me from evil footwear.
     
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    An update--the "straight skinny," hopefully.

    I called Bickmore (again) this morning and "braced" the representative there about the AMA interview and silicone. I was told point blank that the list of ingredients and the formulas for Bickmore products were protected, trade secrets.

    But I described the interview on AMA...along with the observation that the rep didn't seem as savvy as he could have/should have been. I also relayed the assertion by the rep that there were no silicones in Bick4.

    At which point, the person I was talking to said that there were indeed silicones in Bick4 but "less than 1%...for emulsion only."

    So, FWIW, that's from the horse's mouth.
     
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    :slayer:

    I wonder why they need less than 1% for emulsion. There's nothing natural that serves the same purpose?
     
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    Dunno.
     
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    I always wondered about jojba oil. Supposedly it has a molecular structure that is close to whale oil.

    I wonder if Glen ever looked into it?
     
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    Thanks I now understand your point.


    As a layman I guess it means they add the silicone to help with spreadability.

    If any bick rep says bick4 doesn't contain silicones, in light of this new information, at least they are only being hypocritical less than 1% of the time. :happy:
     
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    I hear it is very similar to human sebum. FWIW, Saphir Creme Universelle has jojoba rather than mink oil like Renovateur. I think the issue with it is it might be too greasy and attract dirt and such. No idea...
     
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    But we now have so many eminent chemists why don't we ask them to explain the pros and cons of different compounds?

    Excusing the pun but this thread was awash with them last week. :smarmy:
     
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    Comments like that really help.
     
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    It might be flippant but it's true.

    A chemist is better qualified than lay people to determine which ingredients to use in a given product, no?
     
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    The key is a chemist, who also works with leather.
     
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    I know several, but I doubt they would be keen to post here and suffer the harassment and mockery others with expertise have had to bear.
     
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    Well give us something useful then. It seems you dismiss a lot of "opinions" and experience, but you're not offering anything to move the discussion forward. Pretty much from what I take from you to be good for leather is essentially anything creamy. Unless you elaborate, holding your great knowledge from this thread and just quipping I am not really sure what the point of it is.
     
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    Ask a specific question Patrick if you want a specific answer, otherwise I'm entitled to post generalisations and puns (as bad as they might be) as the next man.
     
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    What in your great wisdom, knowledge and experience is the best routine for dress shoe care?
     
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    There's is a big difference between theory and practical, hands-on experience and knowledge that has been earned through intimacy with the materials and techniques being used.

    The Bick4 issue might just very well be a case in point...I don't know. But obviously the chemists at Bickmore have determined that silicone is a cheaper, easier to access/work with, emusifier (?) than some other, more organic, chemical. Are they wrong? I don't know. But they are ignoring the concerns, experience, accumulated wisdom, of people who daily use and work with leather to some extent. It's tunnel vision.

    I don't/won't dismiss the opinions of chemists. I take everything they say seriously simply because I recognize that I don't possess that level of knowledge. They are to one degree or another experts in their fields.

    But as was so evident...to me at least...many of the concerns and knowledge of the chemists who posted here were almost inaccessible. Almost...because it was so divorced from the practical use and practical experience.

    In the absence of chemists who also have that practical knowledge, as pB suggests, we're left with people who aren't chemists, yet who nevertheless have practical knowledge...and the more, and more wide ranging, the better. It's a comparison of theoretical versus empirical knowledge.

    Of course, at the bottom of the credibility heap is the people with opinions that are relative...and relevant...only to themselves, and/or simply ignorant (often deliberately and willfully so), as well as others who just want to be contrary.

    Learning to sort all that out is not only learning about the subject at hand, it is learning to discriminate--the foundation of all style, elegance and quality.
     
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