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**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Well-Known Member

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    I assumed he was referring to the area circled in red here:

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    Inseam isn't the correct term, as the actual inseam can't be seen (it is under the outsole). This seam between the different pieces of the upper, however, has been discussed in the past and has been pointed out on other Meermin shoes.
     
  2. europrep

    europrep Well-Known Member

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    Wearing a pair of C&J suedes that have some years on them. I brush after each wear and do the occasional full cleaning. Nap has gotten a bit long or sloppy in parts. Not sure how to explain it. See pic below. Any recommendations or just part of aging suede? Small pic from iPhone.

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  3. Munky

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    Hello Money, What led me to believe that these were corrected grain, out of the box, was the surface gloss. Being of the view that I should apply cream to new shoes (their having dried out in storage), I did this and it seemed that the shoes were not absorbing any of the cream. I put it on and wiped it off.

    I'm not particularly worried about all this and will report back what the shoe company tells me. I just feel that may be wrong to pass off corrected grain as 'calf leather', Time will tell, I guess.
     
  4. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Well-Known Member

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    I certainly hear you, and the industry is chock full of in-accurate terminology that is frequently used to deceive the consumer. I also hear you on feeling disappointed with the leather that may have been used on your shoes. Since I don't know who you purchased the shoes from, I can't have an opinion on whether it was deception or just a misunderstanding of what the terms mean.

    Going forward, I'd just recommend remembering the difference in the wording and their respective definitions. That is, correcting the grain simply implies a process that leather is subjected to in order to remove surface imperfections, or in some cases, to apply a "desirable" finish (such as pebble/Scotch grain, or brush-off leather, etc.).

    Calf simply indicates what animal the leather came from. As such, you can take leather made from calf, cow, horse, antelope, hippo, etc., etc.

    You can take any leather and either correct the grain, or leave it in it's original state.
     
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  5. DWFII

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    +1...+100

    Are you a shoemaker?! Reason I ask is that you are so well versed--astoundingly so for someone who isn't.

    You can't get a better answer than that one, nor find too many people who are better at answering questions with sincerity.

    Gives me hope that...despite all evidence to the contrary...ignorance doesn't have to triumph.

    :cheers:
     
  6. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Well-Known Member

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    Wow, that means a lot coming from you! Thanks very much.

    No, I'm not a shoemaker, though I think it would have been a lot of fun in another life!
     
  7. Munky

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    Thanks, Money, for your thoughtful response. Having e mailed the maker, I will report back what they have to say. I suspect, though, that I already know...
     
  8. DWFII

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    Och! Go on wi' ye.

    I have never been one to "like" posts...until recently. Don't know what made me start but between you and pB and chogall and a few others, I have read many that I have liked...and 'liked."

    Tioraidh
     
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  9. techaview

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    Are you guys saying this is more of a defect?
     
  10. kwhitelaw

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    if that is an actual seam.. IMO, it shouldn't be there. I guess it's possible the manuf needed to seam there, and does on every LWB, but if so, it's just lackluster work IMO
     
  11. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Well-Known Member

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    It's just a cost cutting measure, so they could use two smaller pieces of leather rather than one more expensive piece.
     
  12. leetpuma

    leetpuma Well-Known Member

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    Quick question.

    (1) If I am using saphir MDO on shell cordovan do I need to do a bi-yearly cleaning with saphir RENO?
    (2) What about Saphir Cordovan crème instead of MDO?

    (3) If I am using saphir MDO on calfskin do I need to do a bi-yearly cleaning with saphir RENO?

    Really what I am wondering here is:
    Does the MDO's waxiness build up and prevent the leather from breathing? (Ill use an pea size drop every couple of weeks on each shoe)
    also assume I am not using any other waxes products like kiwi/lincon tins
     
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  13. Joshua Lee

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    Absolutely not, it's just a cost saving measure. I only mentioned it because Meermin is the only brand that has a seam placed there for their LWB. Normally I would recommending letting the retailer deal with all defects in shoes that shouldn't be unreasonable, but because it's an international company, taking it to a cobbler would probably be more cost effective.
     
  14. CalzolaiFeF

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    I assume you're talking about MdO wax, but since you speak of drops you may be talking about cream. The final result doesn't change.

    As DWFII said, try to think about leather as skin. Touch it, look at it: it feels dry? Then strip out the wax and condition it. It feels still supple? Leave it as it is.

    Also don't overuse products on cordovan, the fatness of the leather itself is enough to give it a shine, if you rub it with a clean cloth.
     
  15. Bob Sacamano

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    When I apply wax polish (saphir) it cracks the next day (at the toe creases) when I wear it. Is that typical? My shoes basically have a thin layer of polish dust. I put on a layer of dark brown cream just the day before if that matters.
     
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  16. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Well-Known Member

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    You found my Achilles heel with the Gaelic!
     
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    Yeah, that's a bold accusation. To my knowledge, the only corrected grain they release is described as "polished cobbler" leather.
     
  18. CalzolaiFeF

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    Toe creases? You should not have toe creases at all, in a well made shoe...

    Anyways, usually that kind of problem is too much wax: where the shoe creases you should put only one, maybe two layers of wax. Mirror shine is for not flexible parts only.
     
  19. Tim Whatley

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    In my experience, even the finest pair of shoes naturally crease along the toe box. Too much wax is being applied
     
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  20. CalzolaiFeF

    CalzolaiFeF Well-Known Member

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    If by toe box you mean the forepart before the toe puff, it's normal. But on the hard point it's not normal at all.
     

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