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**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. nutcracker

    nutcracker Well-Known Member

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    They know you should only use their overpriced, rebadged Saphir polishes!! :lol:
     
  2. benhour

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    sorry but especially the first part is so untrue!! you need about 3-4 applys of wax to do a good mirror shine! and if not someone step one u it ll be ok for about a month!
     
  3. patrickBOOTH

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    I've never used Renomat on my shoes, but I do own a bottle. I was applying expandable foam around some pipes under my sink and got some on my hands. My girlfriend's acetone she uses to get nail polish off didn't work to get it off, but the Renomat stripped it off my hands with ease. That says something.
     
  4. patrickBOOTH

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    One thing I forgot to mention, which somebody's post reminded me. I was talking to Perry Ercolino. I think one of two NYC shoemakers he said that sweaty feet is a good way to break in a new pair of shoes. He said that after you walk around for a bit in the summer and your feet sweat the moisture and heat helps to soften the leather. He then said you can put in trees and after a day condition both the lining and the uppers with Lexol. So, here is another example of a shoemaker recommending Lexol.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Well-Known Member

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    Another thing about Nick's advice on using reno on dry shoes. Nick's exposure to your shoes is for a very limited time. He sees them, replaces the sole, and makes them look nice. This isn't to say what makes them look better is actually better for the shoe. I mean it may temporarily make the shoe look better, but it doesn't mean this is the end all product and something that should be regular. I mean, with limited exposure to the shoe what he does to it is going to make the customer happy upon arrival, but then he wipes his hands of them so to speak. Not meaning he is intentionally doing something to harm your shoes, but he just might not know. I mean he's not there with you every time you treat your shoes, following you around. There is no way he would know the effects of this stuff long term. He won't. Actual people wearing these shoes all of the time do.
     
  6. SHS

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    Well, using this same argument you could say that the cordwainers whose advice you are following doesn't know the long term effects either. I'm not saying they do or they don't, I'm just saying. BTW did you use shoe cream as well as renovateur on a regular basis on your cracked shoes? Cream conditions leather too.
     
  7. patrickBOOTH

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    That's a valid point. But then again shoemaker's aren't leather product salesman the others are.

    Yes, I used cream.
     
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  8. VegTan

    VegTan Well-Known Member

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    How about a lanolin hand cream? It seems to contain no bad ingredients.


    Matsushima, ex-chief editor of Lightning Magazine, applies a lanolin cream, Toets Lederbalsem made in the Netherlands, and says "sala sala"(4:07), which means "smooth".


    [VIDEO][/VIDEO]


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  9. David Copeland

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    Then please post the websites of the professional bespoke shoemakers who have details on their recommendations.

    Just because Nick, at B Nelson Shoe Repair - which has been in business longer in years than anyone on this forum, offers many, many products because they have been proven over decades by their master craftsman to be the best - is not recommended by some to be a go-to guy - then post the websites of your recommendations. It would be nice to have as many alternative professionals as possible.

    David
     
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    David, you're probably the thickest person I have ever come across in my entire life.
     
  12. David Copeland

    David Copeland Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the compliment, Patrick.

    I gave up trying to be a one-hundred percenter decades ago - when I found that scoring in the 90-percentile was better for long term happiness. That means I have to admit to mistakes in judgment and correct other views when the facts are staring me in the face. It also means that ninety-percenters are looked upon by the majority of folks as being peculiar and out of the main steam. My old boss, Jim Rohn, taught the staff that 20% of the folks do 80% of the creativity and results, while 80% of the folks only do 20%. And Earl Nightingale and Napoleon Hill and Andrew Carnegie encouraged us to become part of the 5% accurate thinkers and doers, leaving the other 95% to go along with the crowd. What a lonely world it may seem to others - but I have no regrets at the happiness it has brought me.

    Looks like you may wish to add more historical biographies of stubborn and thick people to your home library. For more modern times - Here is a good list to start from:

    The Ten Most Stubborn People in Tech

    And when someone can post other web sites on this forum for me to check out - I will be among the first to give them the same fair treatment as the other sites I am fond of. (I am still waiting for those posts)

    David
     
  13. chogall

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    Please refer to the JL RTW video linked above for their non-testimonial lack of using renovator or renomat. Even when they are probably one of Saphirs biggest buyer...

    But you are right, John Lobb knows nothing about making and repairing shoes compares to the experts at Hanger Project.
     
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    i think i'll start using lexol as a conditioner (and avoid Saphir) for all my calf leather shoes prior to polish. it is used/endorsed by so many including B Nelson right on their site -

    http://www.bnelsonshoes.com/accessories.asp

    and they claim right on the bottle that it prevents cracking. i doubt lexol would still be in business making that claim if it didn't really do that.

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  15. patrickBOOTH

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    You dismiss actual experience because I don't have a website. Typing my experience as well as qualitative information stated by so many people on this site is good enough. It is rational. You're being irrational. Want me to create a website for you? I can write anything on it that I want. Why would I mislead anybody? I have no conflicts of interests AND I have experience. What the fuck more do you need to be convinced that it is worth thinking about subjectively? Oh I know. A fucking website.
     
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    Chill PB. The guy is either a troll, a crackpot or both.
     
  17. chogall

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    Probably just sniffed too much Renomat or used Renovator as lip balm.
     
  18. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Well-Known Member

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    The logic just blows my mind. It is a case study really.
     
  19. RogerP

    RogerP Well-Known Member

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    You know what blows my mind? That neither of you can simply let it go.
     
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  20. David Copeland

    David Copeland Well-Known Member

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    You and I both know that anyone on this website can sign up with a phony name or an verifiable alias, and post thousands of personal experiences as a home-grown surgeon or other alleged professional - without any such web link to verify in written form, what they are recommending to owners of high quality shoes. And if someone were to author an instant website to support their views without credentials, the first line of business would be to verify the whois and archive directories to determine if the site was just manufactured to support a recent view - or if it has a history of longevity.

    As such, when it comes to recommending personal experiences under a phony name or alias regarding the care and maintenance of $600 shoes, my belief is it would be rather foolish for anyone to take unverified advice without checking valid resources beyond pen names - especially if the buyer is known to have purchased a lifetime of high quality shoes. Summary - Trust but Verify.

    Secondly, the continued defense of attack because of an allegation that Saphir was responsible for cracked leather in (six?) pair of $600 shoes - and yet steadfastly neglecting to post any actual pictures of all of the "victim shoes" to show the actual damage - is without merit. Why is that?

    Third, dismissing Nick's professionalism as a master craftsman of shoe repair for the use of his products - especially by refusing to contact him in support of the alleged damage to shoes - and not posting the results of the dialog - also proves that allegations of nothing still equals nothing.

    For that matter, below is a verified copy of Nick's Question & Answer review of the Saphir Products he uses in caring, repairing, and maintaining high quality shoes:

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    QUOTE:

    "Nick,

    "Would you please comment on how the following procedures may work?

    "For complete restoration, going in this order:

    "1) Saphir Reno'Mat Leather Cleaner?

    ANSWER BY NICK: Yes...1 or 2 applications. Let dry in between.

    "2) Saphir Dubbin Graisse Conditioner?

    ANSWER BY NICK: I prefer not to use Dubbin on dress shoes.

    "3) Saphir Renovateur?

    ANSWER BY NICK: Only every 3rd or 4th application of cream or wax.

    "4) Saphir Pommadier Cream Shoe Polish?

    ANSWER BY NICK: Yes.
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    And as for other shill's chiming in with character assassinations - the obvious lack of civility reveals their mission - and not a replacement for the actual truth.

    As always, I wish you the best in looking forward to a very nice Spring week.

    David
     

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