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***The official Alden thread *** Share enthusiasm, reviews, sizing, advice, and photos.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by jet, Nov 3, 2008.

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  1. blue collar

    blue collar Well-Known Member

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    Just lookin' to stir the pot are you?
     
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    They are normal US sizing. We rarely get different width sizes in Europe
     
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    Not okay by any stretch, however it is what it is, those of us who continue to purchase condone Aldens practices through the opening of our wallets. I have accepted the situation for what it is, as frustrating as it is.
     
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    I was wondering the same.
     
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    ^^ I think we all are....
     
  6. cyc wid it

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    Not stirring the pot, just not participating in the circle jerk. I still own a pair of Aldens, although I've sold off most. There's no appeal in it anymore. Half the posts sound like hostages/abuse victims rationalizing their decisions. You're accepting their shoddy QC etc. by continuing to buy. At least some people acknowledge their hopeless addiction.

    In before "made in the USA".
     
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  7. bkotsko

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    I would guess "lightening"
     
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    Weight or color? haha
     
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    It's best to be an informed buyer. I have had similar issue with whiskey shoes. My response? To buy less of them and to focus on color 8, black, and cigar, shoes that I wear more anyway. Also looking at more tan calf. Discussions like these help buyers address issues and make purchasing decisions.

    The appeal of Alden shoes is unchanged - great dress or dress casual shoes and boots, unique leathers (deep cordovan shades, quality suede, durable and good looking CXL, etc) versatility and durability. I don't know why the appeal would have changed any really over the past few years (outside of less availability). Quality control has been an issue since I have been buying the shoes and the issues are well known, but you take the bad with the good.
     
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  10. cyc wid it

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    I'll take C&J, Carmina, A&S, etc. anytime instead, especially since I detest moc toes and NST (although other brands make these too). Price point changes, increased availability of other brands, poor QC, ridiculous wait times etc. are all reasons that make Alden less appealing.

    People are obviously free to do what they like with their money, but they should also be honest with themselves. There's nothing wrong with admitting that the attachment to Alden is largely "emotional". It's also a disservice to tell new buyers that flaws are "normal" (in general, not necessarily only referring to this particular whiskey conversation).
     
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    I would not buy anything other than Alden's shell. Their shell finishing is magnificent and top-of-the-line. Nobody can deny that. However, the price of their calf/suede/etc offerings are far too high to warrant retail. For that, I'd rather look at some of the European shoemakers, who do a better job in the same price range, and with better lasts, without all the crap you have to put up with from Alden.
     
  12. bespoken pa

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    Despite the issues at Alden exotics often sell above retail on the bay. I love the CJ marlow as well as egs shell. Alden boots have a unique look and a devoted consumer base, their business model is working for them. No need for them to change.
     
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    I actually think that the stripped shell looks quite nice, and has a lot of character. I have some shell that has come in the same deglazed state (Rancourt shell is very unglazed, for example). It's different, for sure, but it really is a lovely if you can get past the fact that it is definitely a different feel from normal shell cordovan. Among other things, in the deglazed state, it becomes an absolute patina machine, and takes a nice shine with a water brushing.\

    If you're counting on the shine of the glazed finish, well, that's not really the true shine of shell that is so famous.
     
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    Yeah, the selling above retail on the bay (even used) is laughable. I commend Alden for making money hand over fist and holding their consumer base hostage.
     
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    Seeing the prices some things are going on Ebay is making me consider just how much I love my shells. All that cash back after using a shoe seems like a good deal.
     
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    If you want to see my whiskeys before brushing check out my post 52571
    You can see the dark area in the creases starting to develop but I had not touched them at that time. Overall I've been very pleased with my Aldens. out of 24 plus pairs of shell, this is the only pair with issues and in the grand scheme of things the issues on these will not be as big as patina continues to develop.

    See Ya,
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    1) I own C&J shell and will buy more, but check out the Marlow/Darlton thread to see recent quality control issues regarding the shell
    2) Carmina styling is different than Alden and their shell is much drier. Simply a different look/product. Also hard to get shoes in different widths.
    3) Assume you are talking about Alfred Sargent - they make good stuff, but their cordovan seems limited

    -Price point changes: C&J shell prices have increased at a good clip in recent years
    -More brands are available, but many offer different stylings and aren't that comparable
    -Poor QC - fine
    -Wait times - fine, though I can find color 8, black and suede very easily

    About the "emotion" - we all are spending more money on clothing/shoes than we should. Emotion will be part of it. That said, very few other manufacturers offer a wide variety of cordovan shoes available in my size (9.5/10 wide). In fact, basically none of them do outside of Allen Edmonds. Alden fits my needs and styling very well. They may not for you or for any other purchaser. Shoes don't have universal appeal or value.
     
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    I like C&J shell and have numerous models of it. I have had numerous problems, however, with C&J's QC (ex., shell is dry, flaky). And the retailer has always taken back the models as defective.

    Carmina shell -which I also have purchased a few models of - is dry. Too dry for my liking. I probably won't buy again. I have also had issues with Carmina QC - a pair of loafers (one shoe fit great; the other shoe was unbelievably sloppy and was probably the equivalent of two sizes wider than the other). Again, these were returned without incident.

    I don't dispute Alden QC can be sub-par (or even worse), and I have noted the name on this thread before. If a guy is in the shoe game long enough, however, he will experience QC issues with just about any/every company. After all, these are humans making the shoes.

    On the whole, no company does shell like Alden, IMO. If you disagree, I have no problem with that.
     
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    Like I have said before, when Alden gets it right the get it right. Admittedly their QC leaves much to be desired but man my cigar indys make me smile.
     
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