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The Newsroom (HBO)

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by suited, Jun 24, 2012.

  1. Rambo

    Rambo Well-Known Member

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    The ending was great.
     
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    She didn't, she blamed it on Clinton. I think you heard the part where she said deregulation started with Reagan, which it did.
     
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    Mr. Rose, you have some mighty fine listening.

    This week it was the who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-in-India fella's opportunity to be especially annoying... and he hit for a 6.

    Anyway, the only character I like is the blonde pony-tailed one w/ the big ta-tas who says nothing the conference room. Never pitches a story, never has an outburst... just the titty gal in a tight purple sweater.

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    Pity that Egyptian mob didn't beat Sam Waterson with a rock.
     
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    She talked about something along the lines of "the philosophy of deregulation" that Reagan created and culminated in the repeal. It was quite clear that Reagan was the proximate cause of the repeal in her talking points memo.

    The Rudy thing was cool. Also very funny was wanting to break union rules...while chasing after Scott Walker. :laugh:

    Oh, and more Sorkin dis-information. Citizens United was not about direct contributions to political candidates. And now a host of idiots think they have a nugget of info. I would have to say, to borrow from Colbert, the level of truthiness is high in this show. Oh, and where do we think Sorkin got the scene from, including what video clip to use? Straight of a Thinking Progress blog: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/01/10/137917/citizens-united-koch/?mobile=nc :laugh:
     
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    It sounded more like she blamed Clinton. Really though you should be blaming James Leach and Phil Gramm who both spearheaded and introduced the bill to congress/senate, and even then the blame probably stems from whoever coerced them into it
     
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    I had high hopes too. But I don't like it. For one, it's like no newsroom I ever saw. For two, most of the journos are unbelievable, except for Thomas Sadoski as Don Keefer. He has just that right amount of petty little snark, eye on the main chance and sharp elbows, with some glimmer of ethics that characterizes a lot of journalists I know.


    You are on to something. IMO good films, plays, serials have one common characteristic that stands out for me - the characters talk to each other and listen. In this show, the characters seem to be all waiting almost impatiently for their turn to say something smart, or dramatic. I can't describe it better than that.
     
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    I've been wanting to give up on this show but I guess I'm hoping it gets better.

    We're supposed to believe Mackenzie is the producer and runs the show but Sorkin takes every chance he can to make her seem clueless. Could someone this stupid really run a cable news show?

    The Rudy moment was good, but that's a lot of checks to cash lol
     
  8. JoeTurner

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    So far I have been very disappointed in the show. I had high hopes, being a big fan of some of Sorkin's past work (sports night and the west wing, not so much studio 60). But the show has failed me in both the characters' writing and its political/sociological content. I suppose I am quite liberal but even I am bothered by the self-righteousness and condescending tone of the show. I keep watching because the show has its moments and I like some of the characters' interactions. But for a writer as talented as Sorkin, part of the writing is just incredibly poor. In particular the Maggie character makes me cringe at each of her scenes. They probably went for a light-headed but endearing and cute girl who manages to rise in her new position as the show progresses but I just cannot stand her. The acting and delivery is way over the top and the amount of silly situations she is constantly written into (hiding under the bed while bf cheats on her, slamming doors on people's faces, screwing her assignments...) annoys me. Apparently Sorkin fired the entire writing staff for season 2 , so maybe the show will take a new direction, hopefully for the better. In the meanwhile I will keep watching, crossing my fingers for some improvement.
     
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    Episode 5, the most recent, was so cliched and predictable as to be annoying. HBO shows are generally not predictable. The characters are more real- not cliches and caricatures. But, Newsroom, there's not a three diminutional character yet. They're all stock TV characters with no depth or unpredictability yet. Very disappointed. Luck had some really terrific characters and dialog. It didn't get ratings and then some horses died in production. This got reupped and hasn't had a consistently good episode yet. No horses are going to die, so it probably will last, but right now - very weak.
     
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    You guys clearly never watched Sports Night. This is like an exact blueprint of that show but with news reporting instead of sports.
     
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    Sorkin clearly recycles his topics (and lines), there are numerous sites and videos on youtube compiling the overlaps. But Sports Night was for the most part funny and smart, not taking itself as seriously as The Newsroom. The Newsroom is a caricature of Sports Night; it's as if Sorkin was making a parody of himself. Too bad.
     
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    No, you have it the other way around. Newsroom is the serious big brother of Sports Night. All the themes are still there though. The comedy is the same. The women are the same (Felicity Huffman vs the british woman). But this time, its serious because its about NOOZ, instead of silly old sports. That's what made Sports Night great: it could blend the funny and the serious at the same time. This show is having a serious problem with that. The glass door bit was a perfect example.
     
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    That's what I was trying to say. Sports Night did not take itself seriously, it was mostly light-hearted. But the Newsroom took every aspect of Sports Night and amplified it ten times: instead of seemingly balanced arguments about abstract themes (drugs, racism...) you get entirely biased arguments about real events and people; and instead of mild physical comedy, you have buffoonesque situations like the door-smashing, cell-stomping, Maggie's outbursts etc... It's all taken to the extreme.
     
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    I find this show entertaining but, yeah, deeply flawed chars they gotta fix, good topic though. They basically should ditch the sitcom overtones, stupid music over speeches everyone agrees with anyway and that don't mean a thing and work on dev the female characters, they have potential when succinctly described on paper (for example the economist should be the foil for economic right ideas not presented by morons and a more astute reader of people).
     
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    Now I enjoyed it too but because this is obviously an intentional angle that shows the show has potential, the people writing it aren't that clueless, they merely have to 1) remove most of the comedic an elements + accompanying clever quips and 2) really define what their centrist position is supposed to be and work from there (I am obviously not a centrist but I think they fail to really grasp what it means in the US). They should do an eps on the OWS using their tea party template.
     
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    Actually liked the last ep. The interview with the guy not identified by his blackness or gayness was really painful to watch.
     
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    That was kind of silly in context. I don't watch a whole lot of TV news, but I can't really imagine a major news network anchor being such an enormous dick to a guest. Talk show things, sure, but a "news" program?
     
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    Economics professor walks up and pokes the black man she doesn't know in the chest to feel his pecs? I swear he writes in the most misogynist manner possible.
     
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    Piob, you REALLY need to watch Sports Night as a template for this show. Its actually really good, so it won't feel like a complete waste of time.

    Ep wasn't bad. I didn't like the doctor going backwards context as it felt disjointed. Enjoyed Terry Crews. Hope he sticks around.
     
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    Brother, that Sam Watterson is horribly dreadful. And the former producer of this show now working on another show who's banging the daft-and-earnest eager beaver... whatta c*nt. Can't he stay in his own studio? The development of sideline blacks shows potential; they often out-do honkeys. The GTV Wonderwoman had some insightful insight on the Japs. They downplay things. Kick-ass platitude. What next? "Hai" doesn't always mean "yes"? A double positive can't equal a negative? Yeah yeah, tell me about it. Hey! What happened to my chesty-note-taker-in-conference-room love interest from last week?
     
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