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The Home Ownership Thread

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Douglas, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. dcg

    dcg Well-Known Member

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    Missed this. Yes, you may be right. Feeling a bit overwhelmed at the moment with trying to coordinate flooring/paint/rugs/furniture for nearly an entire house. Want to invest in good stuff that'll last, but don't feel like I have a cohesive vision for where I want to end up, and don't want to end up with a bunch of pieces that don't work. Not really sure where to start. Actually, that's not true - was waffling back and forth on refinishing the hardwood floors, but have decided to go ahead and do it. Never going to be easier than now, and I want to get some protection on them from the dog. Also, they're pretty dark and would like to explore lightening them up a bit.
     
  2. dcg

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    Agreed. My dad's a ceramic tile contractor. Spent a few summers working for him, and don't recall ever receiving a tip (or seeing/hearing of any of his guys getting anything).
     
  3. NorCal

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    I used to work in the Trades. Never, ever received a tip. I would have been shocked if someone offered.
     
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  4. Douglas

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    Re: Rugs - Quality Persians are easily had at auction for next to nothing. It is hard to know what you're getting into if you're a novice, as some rugs will go for thousands and others for nothing where to an uneducated eye they look the same - but hey, use that to your advantage. Room-size rugs in attractive enough Heriz patterns from the 1950s-1980s can be had for well under $1000. Condition won't always be perfect, but these are rugs you can live with and are pretty much bulletproof and will retain some level of their value in that you can probably turn them around at auction in 10 years and get a little bit of your investment back. You won't be able to say that about the department store rug or online flash sale carpet you'd buy as an alternative, for which the only real next destination is the garbage.

    Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your perspective) I would not get too caught up in the thought that your carpet will appreciate in value. These are getting less popular as time wears on, and the market could continue to dry up. Styles have a way of being cyclical, so you never know, but I would probably generally count on a longer trend of Persians getting less, not more, popular.

    I've furnished my house with very attractive Persians in 10x13-like sizes and paid $500-600 for each.

    I wouldn't buy from the carpet guy. There's a lot of distribution and retail markup in new rugs and that's what you're paying for (along with that "make sure you're happy with it" return guarantee, or the ability to pick just the right one that pulls out the yellow in the curtains etc etc). If you're not on a tight schedule, take your time, find some local auction houses, and attend the auctions. Check out the rugs at the previews beforehand and use the auction estimates as a guideline. They won't always be correct, but they'll guide what sort of rugs you will generally be able to afford. If you can be patient, you'll find something really great at a price that won't break the bank.

    Example: Here's a beautiful rug going to auction in a few weeks at my local auction house. Almost 10x14. Estimate is $1000-2000, but this is one that could go for under a grand depending on who's in the room. Condition appears to be very good - one with a little worn pile or some frayed fringe would go for half this much. Could also go for $3,000, you never know. But that's why you have to take your time a little bit.

    https://alexcooper.hibid.com/lot/23...prox--9-9-x-13-8/?cat=2063&sort=2&ref=catalog

    Good luck.
     
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  5. Douglas

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    Work started on our attic today to convert it from a spooky old attic into a playroom for our daughter. It's about 6'-2" to the joists in the center, but only about 3-4 feet of that with the roof sloping down on either side. Also some structural shoring up that needs to be done as the roof is sagging in places. Apparently they found some cracked slate tiles on the roof today and some other signs of rot and deterioration - work that's going to have to get done - but I was expecting a fair amount of that. Should be great once we finish it. It will be a perfect space for a kid to play. Nervous about how deep we'll have to go with structural work, but it will be great to have it all done.

    Before:

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  6. Ataturk

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    They won't count it as floor space in an appraisal if the ceiling doesn't hit 7' -- you probably knew that, though. Still a worthwhile thing to do. Mine was originally supposed to be 3 stories -- I think -- so there's a large attic that could be converted. There's also a weird, long closet that was obviously supposed to be a stairway. But they also made some other changes to the plans that would complicate things. Still it's something I'd like to do. Yours looks pretty easy depending on how thick those floor/ceiling joists are.
     
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  7. texas_jack

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    I tip my worker guys if they do a good job.
     
  8. dcg

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    Douglas, this was extremely helpful. Thanks for taking the time to share - 10x13 is right around the size we need, so I'll take your advice and check the local auction houses.
     
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  9. Piobaire

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    In the last year I tipped the folks that delivered my wine storage unit (they also moved my current, fucking huge cellar to another room for me) and the folks that delivered our furniture. Also, I toss them some bottled water which is always appreciated by folks doing physical labour.
     
  10. Douglas

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    Glad to help. I've had a lot of fun with this little "hobby" over the years; auction bargain hunting is great fun, to boot, even when you lose. I may actually sort of be in the market myself again right now; it's possible I could go check out the very rug I linked.


    Yeah, I think this will be worth something to a buyer even if it doesn't totally appraise out. But more than anything, it will be adding value to me, and to my feet, every time they don't step on a Lego in what's supposed to be our library/office.
     
  11. NorCal

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    Ugh, Legos are like having little caltrops scattered throughout the house.
     
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  12. Numbernine

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    Do girls still play jacks, probably illegal these days
     
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    Did you see this post, by the way, Douglas? I assume the new seal never... sealed. It seems to be working okay so far on try #2. And I've gotten the job down to about four hours. Plus it's just so much fun.
     
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  14. Ataturk

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    BTW before buying rugs I'd take the time to learn what makes a good one a good one. It's one thing to read about it, but it also helps to see it in person. There's no harm in visiting the rug dealers just to see what they have to offer.

    FWIW the rug I have my living room came from eBay. I lowball bid about a dozen before I got it. It's moderate density, probably made in Pakistan, but otherwise pretty nice. The auctions around here are full of old guys looking for deals, which are few and far between.
     
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  15. The Noodles

    The Noodles Well-Known Member

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    I usually tip despite always seeing delivery charges.
     
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    I've done a good deal of manual labor and I don't think tipping is necessary. If for some reason the delivery folks do more than deliver a product (like say move some other furniture around a la Piobaire) then yes tip them.
     
  17. zalb916

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    Need to get our marble counter tops cleaned up, polished, and sealed. There is no major damage, just some light scratches, water marks, and a few chips. However, it's beyond anything that I want to do on my own. I have no idea what to expect on cost. Any ideas what to expect for service on counters in a small to medium size kitchen?
     
  18. dcg

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    Yup, makes sense....reading about machine made vs. hand tufted vs hand knotted, but will be helpful to see the differences in person.

    One thing I'm unclear on - seems to me that machine made/woven would be preferable to hand tufted (in terms of longevity). Is that accurate? Hand tufted seems to be this middle ground where you're paying more for something that's not going to last anyway just to say it's "handmade"
     
  19. venividivicibj

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    My dad does this - told me somethign along the lines of - if these guys are in your house, moving around/dealing with your stuff, you want them to be as happy and helpful as possible. (plus its not like water is expensive or anything)
     
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  20. SkinnyGoomba

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    I don't mind buying from a rug dealer. There is one guy in my area who is really reliable, doesn't try and make the month's rent on me and is selling stuff that I enjoy looking at.

    I have a rug or two I have bought at auction, they're nice and probably nicer than what I have from him in ultimate quality, but his are designs that I enjoy more and it was good to pick from a larger selection. They're wool kazak's from him vs silk persians from the auction.
     

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