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The Home Ownership Thread

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Douglas, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. Ataturk

    Ataturk Well-Known Member

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    It really stands out as a piece of plywood to my eyes. I don't like it--would much rather see regular walnut flooring. Also that's going to be a high-traffic area and I'll bet the veneer is super thin--engineered wood flooring is basically plywood, but it uses a very thick wear layer compared to normal plywood. I mean, if that's 1/64" or something like that (and it looks thin the way it was peeled off the log), I worry that it's not going to hold up when you go stomping up and down it in your florsheims.

    Oh, yeah, the sawstop looks like a really nice saw. Never heard a bad word about it.
     
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  2. idfnl

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    Anyone have any data on whether gas is now cheaper than electric for winter heat?

    I can't find any. I have a carrier heat pump/furnace setup and cant decide what the break-off temp should be between both systems.

    Considering I hear gas prices are at all time lows, I'm not sure its being reflected in utility bills.
     
  3. SkinnyGoomba

    SkinnyGoomba Well-Known Member

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    Ugh, please google hardwood plywood flooring. The first YouTube video is an install in what appears to be the entertaining area of a very well appointed house.
     
  4. Ataturk

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    Your google results must be customized from whatever you've been reading. All I got was a couple threads where everyone shut the idea down by pointing out the obvious problem with the veneer thickness. I also don't like the way it looks at all -- you could ave at least gotten a veneer that wasn't shaved off the log with the obvious repeating grain pattern. It really looks like plywood. Also you don't seem to have any finished edge facing those bottom stairs. Did you use veneer tape or a thin strip of wood something? That's not going to hold up long with people stepping on it.

    On the plus side it won't be too hard to fix after you realize I'm right. Unless you glued it down--hah! But whatever, I don't want to be ugly; I'm just trying to help you out.
     
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  5. SkinnyGoomba

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    You're really starting to annoy the shit out of me, is that the goal?


    It's should be pretty obvious that the edge leading down is not finished, it will be finished in a 3/4" thick hardwood nose. You're beyond ugly at this point, I posted these by request and I'm already wondering what I get out of bothering to add content to this thread.
     
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  6. Ataturk

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    What are you going to attach the nose to? It needs a couple inches on the subfloor to stick when people put their full weight on it, which they will.

    Maybe you're right, though. If you can't take constructive criticism you should stay off the internet.
     
  7. SkinnyGoomba

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    Non of it is constructive, you've yet to start up one of your tools, however you're on here telling me how to perform woodworking tasks and build things. It's all under the guise of knowing, yet a quick search proves you incorrect. There are 161,000 results for plywood floor on houzz.com.
     
  8. Ataturk

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    I looked at houzz.com and tried the search. I went through about ten pages of results--most weren't plywood floors at all, and nearly all of the rest were painted or obviously pine. I didn't see a single finished hardwood plywood floor.

    And I've used the table saw before, doofus. I just moved and my new shop is a second, detached garage that isn't wired for 220v. Now, admittedly, I'm not a veteran woodworker. I've done some turning and a lot of carpentry, and I got the saw about a year and a half ago so I could start cabinetmaking. I haven't really done much with it, that's true.

    But I've put down several hardwood floors and picked up a thing or two in the process. One is that people with a trained eye look for repeating patterns in the floor. It's an easy way to spot laminate or amateur installations. That's why hardwood comes in random lengths (and alternating widths are becoming popular too...). Your plywood -- which looks like the top of an MDF desk with that veneer cut -- really just jumped out to me. I don't like it, and I know I'm not going to be alone in that. Look at the people on houzz.com -- they're using plywood extensively as stylistic choice. You're using solid walnut treads and presumably (hopefully) won't be using plywood elsewhere in the house. It looks really out of place.

    I really don't get it, either, since hardwood plywood isn't cheap. Real solid walnut flooring wouldn't have cost you more than another hundred bucks or so, if that.
     
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    I've not seen this Houzz site before...I like it
     
  10. Ataturk

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    I see pine and birch, which are cheap wood and probably intended to look beat up eventually given the way they're finished. Even though they probably have a much thicker face veneer than walnut ply, they still won't hold up. It's just some dumb yuppies putting plywood down because it's different.

    I just gotta go back to engineered wood. It's intended to be used for floors, and look at the wear layer -- it's thick, much thicker than plywood, for good reason. Walnut isn't even hard wood to begin with. And obviously you can't sand the plywood down to refinish it.

    It seems like a really bad idea to me. But whatever, best of luck to ya.
     
  11. VaderDave

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    I saw a link to it about a week ago. I blew an entire evening clicking through pictures of all kinds of things.
     
  12. SkinnyGoomba

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    Birch plywood is hardwood plywood, it's furniture grade, often used as a substrate for high quality veneer work and it costs about $80 for a sheet in 3/4.
     
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  13. SkinnyGoomba

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    Stephen, it rarely surprises me when you have something negative to add.
     
  14. Thomas

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    SG, normally I keep an open mind, but I'd hesitate to go with a plywood product as a finished floor. Maybe there are better products than what I've used, or perhaps you won't use the stairwell much, maybe you're laying down a lot of poly, I don't know. But refinishing it is probably a one-off deal, if that. Maybe replacing it would be easier than refinishing it, anyway.


    The bolded part needs more love than it got.


    As it was told to me a while back, the gas companies probably bought their inventory at earlier (higher) prices and aren't going to sell their inventory at a loss, no matter what the current rates are. Whether the behavior operates the same on the other side of the curve, I can't really say. This may or may not also be accounted for in futures / forward contracts as well.
     
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    haha - we have an 85 year old house. As we've gone through and done project after project, we've uncovered all sorts of prior paint jobs. However, I think in like 7 of the 11 rooms in the house we've repainted, we've found evidence that the room was at one point or another either the same color, or a derivative color of what we were painting. Its pretty comical.
     
  16. SkinnyGoomba

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    Thomas, that's my thought process. Wanted to experiment a little, I generally enjoy the look of plywood and veneer panel. I saw it put to use and wanted to try it in a high traffic area that would test it.
     
  17. Douglas

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    The Ataturk/SH Friendship Outreach Brigade has been here, I see.
     
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  18. dah328

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    Arg, what I thought was going to be a pretty straightforward project to enclose my carport into a garage is getting a lot pricier. The architect wants a structural engineer's assessment of the existing carport structure (that will cost $$) and knowing structural engineers, he'll probably need to justify his existence by recommending some kind of steel beam to correct a slight sag in one of the roof beams. I could easily correct the sag with some bracing but that's not good enough for them.
     

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