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Supplements

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Willie5566, Jan 3, 2011.

  1. asdf

    asdf Well-Known Member

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    That said, I agree that creatine is legit. Anyone have a creatine that they swear by?

    I understand that plain 'ol creatine monohydrate is the best-studied variety, proven to yield results. It's also the cheapest. Can be as simple as adding some to your post-workout protein shake. Some people suggest adding high-GI sugar to elicit an insulin response, some think that the protein is enough to do that.
     
  2. Jsoftz

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    Suggesting creatine is all well and good (although steak can get you just as much with the calories you already need), but No-Xpolde and Cell Mass? You're not recommending creatine - you're recommending products that CONTAIN creatine, but tons of filler, artificial flavorings, colors, etc. Straight up creatine monohydrate is the ONLY way to go if you want to supplement with creatine. Another issue with US supplement laws is that companies don't have to disclose how much of ANYTHING is in their supplements. Very unsafe stuff. We are all guinea pigs for these formulas. Stick to bare-bones supplements and wait the twisted experimentation out.
    I've lost about 85 lbs so far and am starting to transition to muscle gain- what do you think about Creatine Ethyl Esther (CEE) or some of the Concentrated Creatine (like the Con Cret product?). I want to start taking creatine but don't want to retain more water than I have to. Since i've lost so much fat- I'm worried about going in the other direction.
     
  3. Willie5566

    Willie5566 Well-Known Member

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    I've lost about 85 lbs so far and am starting to transition to muscle gain- what do you think about Creatine Ethyl Esther (CEE) or some of the Concentrated Creatine (like the Con Cret product?). I want to start taking creatine but don't want to retain more water than I have to. Since i've lost so much fat- I'm worried about going in the other direction.

    I have taken con cret and am not a fan. I did not notice results at all and the taste is pretty bad.

    What steps have you taken to lose 85lbs?
     
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    Such as?

    I agree that No-Xlode and Cell Mass are crap. Add muscletech to the list. They spend more money on marketing than they do on the products themselves. Then we have to pay extra for the hype.

    That said, I agree that creatine is legit. Anyone have a creatine that they swear by?


    Any MICRONIZED creatine monohydrate should be good. If it helps, I know some nutritionists for D1 schools swear by creapure.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/in...nohydrate.html
     
  5. GreenFrog

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    Such as? I agree that No-Xlode and Cell Mass are crap. Add muscletech to the list. They spend more money on marketing than they do on the products themselves. Then we have to pay extra for the hype. That said, I agree that creatine is legit. Anyone have a creatine that they swear by?
    I've dabbled with creatine here and there, but never really stuck to it. That being said, I've used Green Magnitude by Controlled Labs. It's a product that everyone swears by in the bb community. They have excellent customer service and it tastes fucking delicious (the sour apple one; never tried the lemonade flavor). I've also used SizeOn by Gaspari Nutrition. It's slightly expensive and sweet as fuck. I personally didn't enjoy the flavor, as you have to dilute it with a shit ton of water to make it drinkable, and it's annoying because you need to drink it before and during your workouts. With green mag, you simply drink a cup of it in the morning everyday. Yes, a regular drinking cup with one scoop and some water is sufficient. I highly recommend green mag. I personally don't like the creatine monohydrate varieties, as there's the whole loading period and you need to make sure you're taking it with a high-glucose drink, which is why a lot of people mix theirs with grape juice. Green Mag isn't creatine monohydrate. I forgot what it's called, but it's a different variety of creatine. You should look into it. Maybe I will get back into using creatine.. hm.
     
  6. Gibonius

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    The whole "loading phase" thing with creatine is bullshit invented by the supp companies to get you to use more. There's no physiological basis to it.
     
  7. GreenFrog

    GreenFrog Well-Known Member

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    The whole "loading phase" thing with creatine is bullshit invented by the supp companies to get you to use more. There's no physiological basis to it.

    I wouldn't go so far as to say it's bullshit. Unnecessary? Possibly. The loading phase allows you to reduce the time until your muscles reach full saturation. You can easily get by with 5g/day but loading for the first couple days will definitely reduce the number of days it takes to reach effective saturation.
     
  8. akatsuki

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    Syntha-6 is decent, but expensive and high in fat and sugars, which is why it tastes so good.

    Nothing wrong with some fat in your diet. And sugars in a recovery drink are fine too I think. Especially if you are maintaining a pretty high training schedule and consuming immediately after working out.

    I've used Syntha-6, currently almost done with a tub of Nitrean, and have a tub of Isoflex waiting to go. So far, they all seem pretty interchangeable, but according to Robb Wolf, Isoflex has some insulin sensitizers that are appealing. Next time may try a build from trueprotein.com but realistically I don't think it matters all that much - I am mostly doing shakes because it is too hard to eat enough calories on Paleo.

    I just mix in some creatine and go. Skip the dosing, and studies have shown that continuous use is fine too, so no need to cycle. Shaker bottle is key for creatine which never seems to dissolve.
     
  9. Coldsnap

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    I'm just putting this out there but supplements are a complete wash. Most companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for scientific research which tries to prove their supplements work, sometimes it is so insignificant. After spending time with Olympic athletes my opinion on supplements have completely changed; stuff I think is important - sun (vitamin D), fish oil (fish food), if you want the perfect post workout meal - chocolate milk.

    When you get into high end athleticism you find out what works and what doesn't real fast.
     
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    akatsuki Well-Known Member

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    I'm just putting this out there but supplements are a complete wash. Most companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for marketing which tries to prove their supplements work, sometimes it is so insignificant.

    FTFY

    Like I said, I just take protein shakes cause I can't get enough calories in a day otherwise to support building muscle - probably don't need the extra protein really, but I hate milk so I can't do GOMAD.
     
  11. greenbean

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    Hi there That is really interesting. I never heard of taking supplements for exercise before. Would it notbe dangerous? Maybe it would be interesting to buy someand try Thanks
     
  12. Willie5566

    Willie5566 Well-Known Member

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    I'm just putting this out there but supplements are a complete wash. Most companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for scientific research which tries to prove their supplements work, sometimes it is so insignificant.

    Yes and no. I think we can all agree there is no magic pill. At the end of the day it still takes diet and exercise.

    FTFY

    Like I said, I just take protein shakes cause I can't get enough calories in a day otherwise to support building muscle - probably don't need the extra protein really, but I hate milk so I can't do GOMAD.


    This is a good reason as is the convenience factor. I like throwing in a shake or two during the day as a healthy and balanced snack. I still get in fruits and vegetables but I need something else when i am eating 6 times a day.
     
  13. Z_Cavaricci

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    White Flood by Controlled Labs, is a very good pre-workout energy supplement.

    I still miss Trim Spa with ephedra. That stuff worked like magic.

    GL
     
  14. tesseract

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    Look at my first post on the topic.

    any of the racetams are still quite easy to get. In fact i just bought pramiracetam, the newest of the group which is supposed to be a hell of a lot stronger.
     
  15. matt22616

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    any of the racetams are still quite easy to get. In fact i just bought pramiracetam, the newest of the group which is supposed to be a hell of a lot stronger.

    You're a gentleman and a scholar. Link?
     
  16. Gibonius

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    White Flood by Controlled Labs, is a very good pre-workout energy supplement.

    I still miss Trim Spa with ephedra. That stuff worked like magic.

    GL


    Go order some Bronkaid and some 200 mg caffeine pills off Amazon and call it a day. Good stuff.
     
  17. Willie5566

    Willie5566 Well-Known Member

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    any of the racetams are still quite easy to get. In fact i just bought pramiracetam, the newest of the group which is supposed to be a hell of a lot stronger.

    WTF? Are we still talking supplements?
     
  18. agentorange719

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    I've been playing around with animal pak multivitamins and if you can stomach taking over 20 pills a day it's great. For a preworkout booster, I've been doing White Flood by Controlled labs, but the best experience I've had was with Jack3d by USP labs. In my opinion the best whey protein is TrueMass by BSN, but I know a lot of guys have had great success with Optimum Nutrition, however, it tastes really bad and I couldn't stomach it when I was trying to bulk.
     
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    Yikes....the spam is strong with this thread.
     
  20. tricky

    tricky Well-Known Member

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    I recommend keeping it simple with supplements.

    Whey
    Fish oil
    Multi/joint supplement (I like orange triad)

    If you want more then stick with what's proven:
    Caffeine
    Micronized creatine mono
    BCAAs (debatable but I like during fasted workouts and cardio)
     

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