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Style advice for a Midnight Blue "Cotton" Tuxedo

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Woody, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. JLibourel

    JLibourel Well-Known Member

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    Were I a typical JAB or MW customer, I might well "like the way i look," but then I wouldn't be hanging around on this forum. Also, most RTW clothing does not fit me well.

    Aren't you rather confirming my point? I wouldn't be likely to buy a $500 suit, but here we are talking about a $240 tuxedo plus accessories, so the tux is really only half the price of the suit, with a presumably commensurate reduction in quality. Moreover, most men, even if they are not regular suit wearers, are going to have many more occasions to wear a suit than a tuxedo. In most places in my part of the country, I will be overdressed merely by wearing a necktie.

    If you emend "quite excellent" to "passable," I will agree with you. Buying an item of clothing and then seeking out a rationale for wearing it seems sort of backward to me. Truth be told, if I had occasions to wear a tuxedo, I would most certainly acquire one, but it would be a good one. However, I don't like the idea of spending the better part of $2K for a black tie rig I am only going to wear once or maybe never.

    All I was really saying is that an invitation to a black-tie event imposes a difficult set of options on the fellow who doesn't have a black tie ensemble and is not likely to need one thereafter.

    Agreed.
     
  2. Bounder

    Bounder Well-Known Member

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    Heh. SF passable easily puts you into the top 10% of, well, anything.

    Seriously, though, you may be right. But compared to some of the awful stuff I see at some black tie events, passable is really quite good. Proper fit is really where it usually breaks down. Maybe it's my SF training . . . anyway, that's the beauty of a tuxedo. If it is classically-styled, and tailored to actually sort of fit you, you will look really good even if it isn't canvassed or made from the best fabric.


    Based on form, if you had a tuxedo it would be bespoke from Chan and excellent in all respects. I am disappointed -- and a little saddened -- that you do not.


    Well, this is certainly true. And I take your point about buying something and then trying to figure out how to wear it. This is why I don't have a white tie rig. On the other hand, it's a sort of chicken and egg thing. So I encourage everyone who has the slightest excuse, including getting married and/or attending a wedding after 1 pm, to buy their very own DJs and then throw elegant black tie parties to which I shall be pleased to graciously accept an invitation.
     
  3. JLibourel

    JLibourel Well-Known Member

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    You may well be right.

    Thanks for the sympathy. Indeed, I would love to have a rationale for acquiring a tuxedo from my friends in Kowloon. It's about the one major gap in my wardrobe at this point.

    But at least where I live (and in my social circles) I am scarcely more likely to get an invitation to a black tie event than a white tie one. I fear if I threw a black-tie party, the number of attendees would be a corporal's guard! Interestingly, the man who lives across the street from me, although incomparably less sartorial than I, does have a black tie rig. So did his next door neighbor before he split with his wife and moved away. I suspect my new next door neighbor may have one. After that the number falls off drastically: Two of my old prep school friends, both considerably more prosperous than I (one vastly so, with a fortune well into the eight figures, I'm sure), each own but a single business suit. Another prep school buddy does have one left over from his fraternity days, 50 years ago. Can't think of anybody else, likely to own one. But that's Southern California for you!
     
  4. poorsod

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    I think it is location based. When I was in San Francisco, I didn't even think of owning a black tie rig. Now that I'm in NYC, I've stopped counting many black tie events I've been this year.
     
  5. JLibourel

    JLibourel Well-Known Member

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    ^interesting to know. I wonder in how many other parts of the country black tie events are reasonably common. I have a sense that among the patrician Southerners they are also common. I'm pretty sure they were rare in West Texas, the only other part of the country where I've lived for some length.
     
  6. The Thin Man

    The Thin Man Well-Known Member

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    Crazy. This is a bad idea. To get something significantly cooler-wearing than tropical worsted, you'd have to go to 7 oz. cotton, which would look terrible as a dinner jacket.

    If you enjoy wearing tailored clothes, then attending events where a lot of people wear black tie is a great opportunity to school them on well-executed black tie. If the wedding is unlikely to have other people wearing black tie, then it's a great opportunity to school them on a well-executed navy double-breasted suit in a tropical worsted.

    The simplest subjects seem to be the most overthought.
     
  7. mossrockss

    mossrockss Well-Known Member

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    Haha, so, "crazy" is your vote.

    Vox explained to me that there are three fallacies to my premise, and his explanation rings true:
    1- First, that your hybrid idea will look more "formal" than a simple dark suit, white shirt, discreet tie. It will not.
    2- Second, that cotton or linen wears cooler than wool made for summer use. They do not.
    3- Third, the charm of cotton and linen comes from their rumply-ness, and is that ideally consonant with black tie? No, it is not.
     

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