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Stephane Jimenez Bespoke Shoes

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mw313, Apr 2, 2016.

  1. Griffyndor

    Griffyndor Well-Known Member

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    This is wrong. I can assure that, if done correctly, it is easy to tell what distinguishes those two categories of shoes simply by wearing them for a day.
     
  2. ecwy

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    If you think I am getting affected by what you say, the answer is no because I simply don't pay too much attention to things people might say on an internet forum. I spend most of my time here posting photos of shoes because I both enjoy shoes and taking pictures.

    I get where you are coming from but I think you imply many things about my statement which is only something you perceive and not anything I meant or even said. I prefer to take words at face value. Your perspective is yours and we can certainly disagree and we can walk away respecting each other views. However, there is clearly a cultural difference in the way people interpret things. You might not accept that as a fact but please do not impose your views about superficiality and changing subjects on my statement.

    I would like to point out AGAIN that I was not the one who brought up the issue with the shoe expert quote. If more than 1 person had an issue with that phrase, is it a problem with me or how it was put across?

    By the way, I would like to ask for your opinion on the toe spring of the shoes presented. It looks to me... uncomfortable.
     
  3. mw313

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    Thank you and I agree! It is what is said and what it means, not the way it is said. Many of us are familiar with trolls on SF and need to defend ourselves so sometimes we can make comments on the defensive to help prevent those expected comments, especially when trying to make something new
     
  4. mw313

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    I agree but there are some who do it and work very hard to be able to have the practice and knowledge base to do both effectively. I've trained under an Orthopedic surgeon who then went back to study podiatry so he could adequately cover both disciplines.

    There are also dentists who train as An MD and become Oral surgeons

    But this is quite out of scope of this thread about shoes. Lol

    If anyone really has a problem about me or a question on my credentials, they can PM me and not waste the time of the readers on SF who probably don't want to waste time reading a verbal attack on someone. This is not directed at anyone in particular bit just a statement that I've felt like saying on a few threads to stand up for people being verbally attacked.
     
  5. mw313

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    Just so you know this was all directed at one sentence that was starting out the thread which was a joke because I've been called that many times and expected the initial readers to be ones who know me as an active member already.

    This is the Internet and we can joke around on here as well. It is just a way to help see and learn about new things in which we all have common interests.
     
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  6. ThunderMarch

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    So I would like to know.
    Are you an MD?
     
  7. coldinboston

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    I am going to answer that even though i obviously risk getting into some kind of internet p...s size contest, but i do have to chime in bc there is some misinformation on this post.

    Orthopedic Surgery MD and and doctor of podiatric surgery (DPM) are different fields with different levels of training (medical school vs podiatry school, different post graduate residencys and fellowship),different licensing boards, and different qualifications. I am sure there is some overlap specifically reffering to foot stuff.
    Also depending on the state, the extent of what surgeries can be done by a podiatrist are limited. For example in MA they cannot operate above the ankle (mortise), in other states they may.
    Orthopedic surgeons (MD) do not have limitations by the state on what body parts they operate on (hospital may not credential you to do spine surgery if you dont have a fellowship but thats a whole diff discussion and hospital specific).

    Anyways mw is a podiatrist (DPM) not an orthopedic surgeon (MD). I dont think he ever claimed to be an MD, but he does use the term orthopedic a lot which may lead people to believe he is an orthopedic foot and ankle surgeon (MD).

    I cannot speak to his level of footwear knowledge as I dont know.
     
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  8. DWFII

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    If they are fundamentally made the same...I don't think so. If you're comparing a $2k RTW toa $500RTW, not much changes in the way of techniques or materials. If you're comparing a $2k HW to RTW art any price, well, that's another story.
     
  9. mw313

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    No I've said I'm a DPM.



    Thank you very much for saving me the time in explaining just that. Are you a doctor of some sort as well? I am a DPM but was trained with MDs at Temple University which is an MD school but also offers a DPM by the same professors and doctors. I do all that a normal Podiatrist does but I also am able to do the more formal foot and ankle orthopedic surgeries due to my extra training and states of practice: Pa and NJ. It is a sub speciality of reconstructive rear foot and ankle surgery just like a foot/ankle orthopedic surgeon is a sub specialty of an ortho surgeon.

    I do ankle fusions and trauma to repair broken tibia and fibula as well, just as a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon does. It all depends on what the doc chooses to do but most Pods don't do any of this. I do not do any part of the body above the leg/knee.

    It doesn't make one better than another but a choice for lifestyle and amount of work. I have just chosen to do it all because of my passion for it. Hope that helps clarify further even though the difference doesn't really make a difference in my work with shoes. You can work with shoes as an MD or DPM, but I know of more who are DPMs to be completely honest. I have friends who are both.
     
  10. DWFII

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    Well, I'll say it up front--I am an expert--on shoemaking and shoemaking techniques and shoemaking materials and even on feet and how shoes should fit. Notice I said "an expert." I didn't say my words were written in stone. I'm not the only expert on these things that posts to this forum (although there are far fewer than people want to believe) I have never even suggested that I am a master shoemaker.

    So what makes me an expert? Objective experience. Hands-on experience. First hand experience (as opposed to hearsay or third party, through the grapevine experience, or conjectural, wished-for experience.

    Dealing with many different feet and all the possible ramifications and variations of feet and leather and engineering that 45 years of experience affords.

    A person may have a lifetime of experience with his own feet. And may even develop some marked preferences. But that doesn't make him an expert in anything but his own druthers.

    A person can prefer a particular fit...and who can argue with his preferences? But that doesn't make him an expert on fit. It doesn't even mean that he's correctly fit or even particularly well fit.

    As far as imposing a viewpoint...there are no shoe police. Take the words of an expert in shoemaking techniques and fit for what they are worth--learn from them or don't. You didn't pay anything...you're out nothing. No one can impose anything on you that you don't want to have imposed.

    That said, when a person who has no first hand experience making shoes, tries to tell someone who has 45 years of it what is what, that seems to me a deliberate attempt to impose an opinion--an uninformed, possibly arrogant and belligerent opinion. It's presumptuous, it's inauthentic and it's posing.

    If only because the person expressing it has not earned it.

    Again, this is not aimed at you specifically, or anyone else...it is simply the residue of all the trolls and poseurs think their passing pipe dreams are just as valid as decades of blood, sweat and tears.

    edited for punctuation and clarity
     
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  11. coldinboston

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    I dont want to have a big public profile here so i am not really going to get into details but i do have a working knowledge of orthopedics.

    By tibia ankle i assume you mean lateral/medial malleolar (ankle fxs) or are you allowed to do tibial nails, tibial plateaus etc... without an MD being the primary surgeon. I only ask bc some states are more liberal than others in their restrictions, MA being very restrictive (i.e dpms cant even do ankle scopes).

    Just tell me you dont do Subtalar arthroereisis? So i can go back to work in piece.

    Anyways do what makes you happy, YOLO as they say
     
  12. Griffyndor

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    I'm talking about a bespoke shoe. You asked why anyone would spend multi $k shoes without knowing anything about them...anything about how they are put together or how that relates to objective quality...or even about feet in general, much less their own feet. My answer is that they don't look and feel the same. If your experience is that they do then I would suggest that you are buying the wrong multi thousand dollar pair of shoes.
     
  13. DWFII

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    Well, of course.

    But you missed the point. You can spend multi $k for a RTW shoe...but you probably would play hell finding a HW shoe at $500.00. My comparison was always RTW to RTW.

    And my point is that most people buy stuff here for all the wrong reasons. They don't know...they don't want to know...what makes quality or one shoe more expensive or objectively worth more than another.

    I don't buy shoes.
     
  14. chogall

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    On the other hand, you don't have a C.Ped. or OPM, thus your expertise as a fitter or judging how shoes should be constructed to fit, however great it is, might not be right Or worthwhile.
     
  15. chogall

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    My AE wears different than my JL. So there's definitely a difference in terms of wear or construction for RTW shoes.

    Same for my handwelts vs bespokes. Both HW, both wear differently. Different makers make shoes and fit shoes differently.

    Since you don't buy shoes, your comment about how to buy shoes makes you, in your own logic and words, inauthentic, posing, and belligerent.
     
  16. DWFII

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    I've not given anyone any advice about how to buy shoes. I'm not an expert in buying shoes although the first hand, objective expertise I have about the relative merits of GY vs HW does relate....for those who are themselves objective enough to listen.

    Why? Because I earned it. How about you?

    That said, it was you in particular I had in mind when I made that comment. You're the poster boy for ill-informed, contentious, pretentious, and entitled.
     
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  17. chogall

    chogall Well-Known Member

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    I have bought a lot more (#DIV/0! to be specific) Goodyear welted, hand sewn welted, and bespoke shoes than you ever did. And you cant blame me for taking your side on the GY vs HW debate.

    Contentious? You had me in mind when you dump a wall of text. Kettle calling pot ___.
     
  18. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Well-Known Member

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    I thought that thread was about Stephane Jimenez.

    Why don't we keep it to Jimenez and stop this p...ing contest about people's qualifications (or not, as the case may be). As nobody on this forum has ever met Jimenez, nor seen his work in the flesh, everyone's opinions are equally valuable or equally worthless.
     
  19. DWFII

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    I agree--the whole bit about self-praise, self-proclaimed expertise or how things are said rather than what is said, was entirely OT and took us a somewhat afield, didn't it?

    Good thing we have hall monitors.
     
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  20. mw313

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    of course, but yes I also do nails, etc. I actually have an IM nail this Thursday! No regular MD Ortho involved. Yes we have a very liberal scope here so I was trained in all of it, plus I trained under MD oath's through out all of med school. Not just on foot/ankle either, but general ortho. I just can't do those cases not in the LE on my own, of course. Well I guess I could but not in the legal scope of practice, so I'd only help if a colleague needed a set of able hands.

    Wow they can't do scopes? What a shame.

    haha. I won't even comment on arthroeresis. They are way to controversial at this point, but I have to say that I did help with a few as a med student and saw some amazing results.

    Thanks and yes it does make me very happy, as I'm sure your work does for you.


    But I love working with biomechanics and both orthotic and shoe modifications just as much because the conservative treatment (including custom shoes at times) can make a huge difference in preventing the need for surgery, which is one of the reasons I got so into last design.
     

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