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Some Edward Green Questions

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by bry2000, Mar 22, 2005.

  1. bry2000

    bry2000 Well-Known Member

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    In looking at the recent Edward Green Catalog, I noticed the Banbury and Warwick boots. The two styles look the same. What are the differences between the two styles?

    Separately, I see that EG offers several different types of rubber soles: dainite, ridgeway, and a third whose name eludes me. Besides design, what are the differences? What would cause one to choose one type over another?

    I am considering special ordering a pair of EG shoes or boots with a rubber sole. Can anyone suggest which shoe (thinking in a pebble grain) would go well with a which rubber sole? Considering the Dover (which I have in dark oak with a leather sole) or one of the boots listed above. Which combinations would work? I am thinking of using such a shoe or boot for casual wear with cords, twills, perhaps odd trousers.

    Thank you.
     
  2. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Well-Known Member

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    If it helps, I have brown Grenson pebble grain boots with the dainite sole, and I think they are great.
     
  3. BjornH

    BjornH Well-Known Member

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    The danite is supposed to be appropriate for pavement. Medway and Ridgeway are country/offroadish soles (hence the names) and much rougher.

    I've always lusted after a Halifax (i.e. Dover boot) with a rougher sole for park and forest walks.

    B
     
  4. kabert

    kabert Well-Known Member

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    I think it depends at least somewhat on how you plan to use the shoes. Are these to be weekend knowabout shoes, or shoes to wear in colder weather to the office? Dainite soles are solid and secure and are rather hard-wearing. Lots of people have "bad weather" shoes they wear to the office that have dainite soles. EG has at least 4 rubber soles -- dainite, ridgeway, medway and a light tan/clear-looking rubber. The ridgeway and medway are pretty rough, as Bjorn said, but are great for walking off pavement or walking around town on rainy or snowy days. The 4th rubber sole is new to me -- it's in the recent EG catalog and looks like a much softer rubber than the other three. I'd want to see it in person before ordering it though I think.
     
  5. bry2000

    bry2000 Well-Known Member

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    I would consider using these shoes or boots for weekend wear around the city. I tend to walk around town a lot so I would like a comfortable, sturdy shoe and sole. I would also consider wearing these shoes/boots to work on casual Fridays with wool trousers or cords, etc. I would wear something else for heavy rain or snow. Thanks.
     
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    T4phage Well-Known Member

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    There is a fourth rubber option from EG called the 'Thames', for pounding concrete.
     
  7. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Well-Known Member

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    Here are those boots I own. Hope the pics help. Sorry about the scuffs, I haven't had a chance to polish them since wearing them yesterday. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  8. TimelessRider

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    The Warwick has a heel counter which the Banbury does not. The Dainite is the only rubber sole from EG I've tried, and I don't find it as comfortable as a nicely broken in pair of leather soled shoes for pavement use, but it is by no means uncomfortable. I'm curious about the Thames sole as well. Here are pics of a Halifax boot in Brandy Willow with a dainite sole which I wear with jeans and mid-weight cords or flannels: http://img65.exs.cx/gal.php?g=uppers2_sm.jpg zjpj - Those Grenson's are nice.
     
  9. bry2000

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    Thanks, Timeless for the pic. I like the Halifax a lot. can you tell me what a heel counter is? this way I will be able to tell the diff between the Banbury and Warwick boots? Your comment re: the comfort of the dainite sole is interesting. Ideally, I am looking for something hard wearing that I can walk in for a long time on city streets. Wonder if the Ridgeway or medway would provide more comfort?
     
  10. Manton

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    A heel counter is just an extra (decorative) patch of leather sewn over the back of the shoe.  Kind of like a toe cap, only in the rear.
     
  11. MCA

    MCA Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. The heel counter on the Warwik is just a row of stitches (not a separate piece of leather). Also the facings of the Warwick are straighter, set further back, and with higher eyelet position.
     
  12. Phil

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    I own both the Banbury and the Warwick. These are the differences:

    Warwick doesnt have a heel counter, per se. It has a decorative row of stitches, nothing more.  

    The eyelets of the Warwick are set farther apart from each other, and the entire back of the boot is more set back, if that makes any sense.  What I mean to say is if you divided the boot in half, lengthwise, the Warwick would have a longer toe section, while the banbury has a shorter toe section.  Im not sure if I am explaining it properly.  If you put the shoes next to each other, the laces would start from a further back position on the Warwicks.  I prefer the look of the Warwick for this reason.  The banbury looks stubby for this reason, at least to my eye, when they are on my feet.

    They are both exceptional boots however. My Warwicks were special order, acorn antique, double leather sole, with a bit of an extention on the sole, with wheeling. 606 last.

    The Banburys are dark oak antique, double leather sole, with a fudge welt, also special order. 202 last.
     
  13. bry2000

    bry2000 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. Would either the banbury or warwick look good with a dainite or one of the other rubber soles? with pebble grain leather perhaps? Or is the double leather sole the best way to go? Thanks.
     
  14. Phil

    Phil Well-Known Member

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    All of the above Bry. Dainite looks great, as do double leathers.
     
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    Ive also seen the Banbury with a single leather sole, which surprisingly looks very elegant. Jay Kos, for one, sold the Banbury like that last year. I think this year they switched to a dainite sole.

    Since they are boots after all, pebble grain would look very nice.

    For me at least, boots are the way to go. Edward green makes some of the best in the world, you wont go wrong either way you go.
     
  16. TimelessRider

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    MCA, Phil - Thanks for clearing up the subtle differences between the Banbury and Warwick

    Bry - One more thing to note: EG has two variations on the Dainite sole. They have a standard Dainite sole and they have a thinner one which is a Dainite sole "without middles". I believe I have the heavier one (standard) since I requested a double Dainite sole when placing the order.

    Regarding the Thames rubber sole, I received the following reply from Edward Green:
     
  17. Phil

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    Another thought that I had was you might give the Lomond boot a try. Made by EG, they are basically a Banbury, but with a toe cap. I am in the process of designing a new special order, and its a take on the Lomond. Instead of using the Banbury as a base, I am going to order the Warwick with a toe cap, and a medallion. This toe cap could add some flair to a normal Banbury or Warwick, since you can brogue the toe cap, add a medallion, etc. Just a thought.
     

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