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so i'm gonna try lucid dreaming

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by oman, May 8, 2006.

  1. LabelKing

    LabelKing Well-Known Member

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    This is where all those drug threads come in handy.
     
  2. Edward Appleby

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    Curiousity akin to this is why a couple of my friends and I have been trying to experiment with Salvia divinorum. Our first attempt failed because of equipment difficulties (lack of fuel forced us to switch from a jet-butane to a regular Bic, which failed to provide the concentrated heat needed, among other issues), but hopefully after AP examinations we'll have a more successful run.

    Not to hijack the thread, but has anybody had any luck with Salvia? I know that the liquid extract is supposed to be the more efficacious, but our local shop doesn't carry it, and we've already sunk a fair chunk of change into the extract-impregnated leaf shreddings.

    What brings it to mind are the time dilation issues akin to dreaming; aparently, it's common to experience hours and even years in the span of ~20 minutes on Salvia.
     
  3. VMan

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    Curiousity akin to this is why a couple of my friends and I have been trying to experiment with Salvia divinorum. Our first attempt failed because of equipment difficulties (lack of fuel forced us to switch from a jet-butane to a regular Bic, which failed to provide the concentrated heat needed, among other issues), but hopefully after AP examinations we'll have a more successful run. Not to hijack the thread, but has anybody had any luck with Salvia? I know that the liquid extract is supposed to be the more efficacious, but our local shop doesn't carry it, and we've already sunk a fair chunk of change into the extract-impregnated leaf shreddings. What brings it to mind are the time dilation issues akin to dreaming; aparently, it's common to experience hours and even years in the span of ~20 minutes on Salvia.
    Yes, I have. Its nice. Get the highest extract you can afford. Also, since it's a short lived drug (2-10 minutes) you need that in your system as fast as possible. Use a bong or waterpipe so you can take massive tokes w/o hurting your lungs as much, and make sure the slide has a pretty big bowl on it. If necessary, you can make an improvised bong out of a water bottle or similar, I'm sure there's thousands of sites that will show you how. Take three to four big bong rips as quick as you can, using a jet butane lighter, and make sure you are somewhere comfortable - a big soft chair in a darkened room. For me it def. helps if the room is a bit dark, so turn off the main light and get some ambiant lamps going. Also, put on some good music. If you have a computer in the room, put on the iTunes or Windows Media Player's visualizer along with some good music, and prepare to have fun. Enjoy it while it's legal, it wont be in a few years.
     
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    This is where all those drug threads come in handy.

    Indeed.

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  5. Edward Appleby

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    Enjoy it while it's legal, it wont be in a few years.

    Bullshit, isn't it? My favorite is the tubby Senator describing it as an alternative form of marijuana. God forbid anyone consult a botanist or a pharmacologist or anything besides some neurotic suicide's note in Delaware.
     
  6. VMan

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    Bullshit, isn't it? My favorite is the tubby Senator describing it as an alternative form of marijuana. God forbid anyone consult a botanist or a pharmacologist or anything besides some neurotic suicide's note in Delaware.

    Jesus, I think reading that just made me stupider. How could he even compare it with marijuana? Totally different chemical structure, totally different effect.

    I don't think I could ever consider Salvia as a substitute for pot. One chills you out for a few hours, and the other is a super intense psychedelic trip that lasts for a few minutes, but is as intense as any other hallucinogen.

    I am interested to know how it acts on the brain, though. I never looked into it much.

    Good luck!
     
  7. oman

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    regarding lucid dreaming: no luck yet, but the overwhelming flood of positive responses amazes me. 48 hours ago, i did not even believe lucid dreaming was possible, and now there's all this anecdotal evidence from you guys

    regarding salvia: goddamn, that's all i can say. use it carefully. i was inches away from what insanity would feel like, i am sure.
     
  8. Edward Appleby

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    Jesus, I think reading that just made me stupider. How could he even compare it with marijuana? Totally different chemical structure, totally different effect.

    I don't think I could ever consider Salvia as a substitute for pot. One chills you out for a few hours, and the other is a super intense psychedelic trip that lasts for a few minutes, but is as intense as any other hallucinogen.

    I am interested to know how it acts on the brain, though. I never looked into it much.

    Good luck!

    As far as equating Salvia and pot, the other thing to note is that Salvia's effects are decidedly antisocial and nonconducive to leaving the room, much less driving or operating machinery, not to mention the fact that most of the health risks of marijuana (other than the risks associated with smoking in general) are imaginary.

    Not a whole lot is known about the pharmacology of Salvia. Salvinorin A, the primary active ingredient, is a rather strong kappa opiod receptor agonist, but I don't think anybody really knows how this induces a hallucinatory state, nor what roles the other active components that aren't k-opiod agonistic play.

    It's less toxic than caffeine, nonaddictive, and impossible to overdose on. The primary risk seems to be that of a psychotic break, as oman alluded to, but as always this is dependent on prexisting psychiatric instability. Hell, the Mazatec have been using it for centuries to no ill effect.
     
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    Hell, the Mazatec have been using it for centuries to no ill effect.
    yes, i remember reading about salvia's prominency in central/south american shamanic culture. however, i would really like to know if they were using extract, or leaf...

    leaf, for those who don't know, is the (exponentially) weaker form. i think extract was only recently invented, but that is just a guess
     
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    yes, i remember reading about salvia's prominency in central/south american shamanic culture. however, i would really like to know if they were using extract, or leaf...

    leaf, for those who don't know, is the (exponentially) weaker form. i think extract was only recently invented, but that is just a guess

    They used leaves, and still do today. As with most etheogens, the plant itself is a part of the ritual/spirituality of the exercise, so even when extracts or other processed forms are available shamans don't use them.

    However, the Mazatec did use a rather large amount of the leaf, though often in conjunction with Psilocybe mushrooms.
     
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    However, the Mazatec did use a rather large amount of the leaf, though often in conjunction with Psilocybe mushrooms.


    Interesting. Have you seen the film 'Altered States'? I think both you and oman would be interested in it.

    I'd have loved to be a shaman, and taken spiritual journeys into the desert, consuming peyote and mushrooms and having visions and prophecies.
     
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    Interesting. Have you seen the film 'Altered States'? I think both you and oman would be interested in it.

    I'd have loved to be a shaman, and taken spiritual journeys into the desert, consuming peyote and mushrooms and having visions and prophecies.

    I was just thinking about that movie while reading this thread. I won't tell you how it ends, but if you watch it, you'll know why I hate the ending.

    I always wanted to try a deprivation tank after watching that.
     
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    I was just thinking about that movie while reading this thread. I won't tell you how it ends, but if you watch it, you'll know why I hate the ending.

    I always wanted to try a deprivation tank after watching that.


    Yeah, the deprivation tank seems like a cool concept.

    I agree with you that I enjoyed the first 1/2 (or 2/3) of the movie a lot more than the ending - went over the top a bit. But still, good movie overall, explores some great ideas.
     
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    Semi-related, I meant to post this earlier: I read about a wristwatch that will supposedly wake you up at the best point of your sleep cycles. Somehow it monitors your sleep movements and will choose the best point within a range of time (say, 6:00 to 6:30) to wake you up, when you are closest to being awake anyway. Apparently it is supposed to wake you up more refreshed.

    Found it: http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/sleeptracker_watch
     
  15. Garrett

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    I've experimented with about 15 different psychedelics. Probably tripped about 40 times. I have only ever had 2 bad trips, one on DPT and one on salvia.

    Regaurding my salvia experiences, I smoked salvia probably about 10 times. It was never what I would call pleasent, but it was never really that bad until the last time. The trick is you need to just keep doing bong rips about as fast as you can until you can't hold the bong (you NEED a trip sitter there, dont try it without one).

    When I finally "broke through" (the last time I did it) I really wasnt prepared (already on other drugs, in vegas, TV on...) because I had smoked it so many times with no large effects. Needless to say, it was the most terrifying 10 minutes of my life. I will never ever touch this stuff again. I could spend hours explaining the experience, but lets just say that I wasnt a human consciousness, had no idea what planet I was on, there was no such thing as matter, and I basically felt fully helpless and insane. Any and all constructs of prior though and reality vanished. Sounds like fun, but trust me it wont be unless you are VERY prepared for such a situation.
     
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    When I finally "broke through" (the last time I did it) I really wasnt prepared (already on other drugs, in vegas, TV on...) because I had smoked it so many times with no large effects. Needless to say, it was the most terrifying 10 minutes of my life. I will never ever touch this stuff again. I could spend hours explaining the experience, but lets just say that I wasnt a human consciousness, had no idea what planet I was on, there was no such thing as matter, and I basically felt fully helpless and insane. Any and all constructs of prior though and reality vanished. Sounds like fun, but trust me it wont be unless you are VERY prepared for such a situation.

    I've read alot of similar stuff. I'm not looking for fun though; I want to explore the bounds of conciousness. I've heard that having the right attitude it a big part of avoiding a bad trip.
     
  17. Garrett

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    I've read alot of similar stuff. I'm not looking for fun though; I want to explore the bounds of conciousness. I've heard that having the right attitude it a big part of avoiding a bad trip.

    Right attitude, respect for the drugs powers, and building up to it will all help. If you have experience with high dose shroom, dmt, dpt trips then chances are you will fare much better. Its impossible to describe what it feels like if you havent been there. Problem with salvia when compared to, say, dmt is that salvia tends to have a malevolent push. It felt like it wanted me to have a bad time...
     
  18. denimdestroyedmylife

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    Second the "malevolent push" of salvia. I've only had two bad trips ever in my storied career. Once tripping alone on LSD and once on salvia divinorum. The former is easily accounted for, very tiny, dirty, critter infested apartment in a terrible neighborhood----in short bad setting. The latter, I blame the drug entirely.
     
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    On a side note, Lucid dreaming is cool.

    I started to document dreams and look into the meaning behind them.

    Before I would go to sleep, I would tell myself I was going to remember my dreams. I kept a notebook and pen by the bed and (surprise) I always woke up at the end of my dreams and recorded them. It was hard at first but got easy very quickly.

    The dreams were always reflective of my life at that moment.
     
  20. VMan

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    So I had a lucid dream session last night. These past few weeks I have been constantly questioning myself "am I dreaming?" as suggested in this thread.

    In my dream last night, my buddy and I were making chocolates out of Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms. We ate the chocolates and I started to trip, but then I realized it was a dream. I managed to manipulate myself pretty well in the dream - I pinched my nose and when I was still able to breathe I knew it was a dream.

    At first I had a hard time guiding my dream. I'd get a little progress, but realize it was a dream and wouldn't be able to do whatever I wanted.

    Eveuntually I found a trick. I told myself I was on some sort of hallucinogen, and focused my brain to try and turn objects into other things (like you can do while tripping). I began to realize that I really could do everything I wanted. I can't remember everything I did, but one of the things was playing a sort of Grand Theft Auto scenario in a downtown area with some friends. I remember putting my hands out as if I was holding a rifle, then concentrating really hard and imagining what it should look like, and a shotgun appeared. I ran around playing a real-life version of the game...pretty cool.

    I should really write the dreams down when I wake up. I can't wait to try it again tonight.
     

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