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Snowboarding Gear Dilemma

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by specialblend, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. rjmaiorano

    rjmaiorano Well-Known Member

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    they are the same company... maybe he thinks special blend sounds better?

    I guess. But they still have different lines and labels. I've always found that kinda odd that they are one in the same but are two separate lines. I've also found FourSquare stuff to be slightly more technical...
     
  2. arsenik509

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    I'd go for the Holden stuff. It will set you apart from the rest of the "kids". I've been boarding for awhile too and like the loud stuff too, but holden is pretty awesome.
     
  3. rjmaiorano

    rjmaiorano Well-Known Member

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    I'm still in shock that you buy new gear every year. I mean, even if I were to assume that you are referring to new clothing only, that can still easily cost $1000.

    if he uses and abuses his outerwear, one seasons worth of use is more than enough to significantly lower the water proofing ability.
     
  4. bohemianmidnight

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    I guess. But they still have different lines and labels. I've always found that kinda odd that they are one in the same but are two separate lines. I've also found FourSquare stuff to be slightly more technical...
    It is odd, they have like the exact same items only in different colored stripes or patterns, all the way down the sweaters and beanies.
     
  5. AR_Six

    AR_Six Well-Known Member

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    Is the Holden Jacket as waterproof/breathable as the Four Square? Although, if you're throwing corked 540's, no one will care what you're wearing.
    DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS. What you are wearing is crucial to maxing out your steeze. Okay I'm being a little sarcastic. But this is not the place to be asking for advice on what to wear on the hill, it's a completely different arena and well out of the range of expertise of this forum. I will say that generally Holden's quality vastly exceeds most foursquare stuff. The majority of mainstream snowboard brands are really pretty low-rent in that respect. But since you live in Vancouver, I'd head down to 4th and Burrard to Pacific Boarder and Comor, and ask Marin what he thinks you should wear.
    I do likewise. It costs nowhere near that much, thanks to "teh mad industry hookups", but retail value is way more than that. Think about it, though, some people are riding upwards of 100 days per season, and a pair of skis or board isn't going to typically last more than 60 days on hill before the core is fucked. Outerwear, waterproofing wears off, shit gets torn by edges. Boots, soles get worn down through walking, and they get bashed up on things. Gloves should be replaced every year even if you ride half that much, they just don't last (aside from Marmot Randonees / Ultimates and the like, which you might get 2 out of). Goggs get scratched and the foam gets wrecked. You get the picture. The only thing that will really last for a while is bindings. If this seems expensive, consider the pros (some go through 8-10 pairs of skis per season) and consider those who have BC/Pow, touring and park specific setups. I know people with 2 sets of the exact same skis mounted at different points for different purposes. Try replacing all that on a regular basis. This shit's expensive... but we may console ourselves with the fact that at least it's still cheaper than mountain biking.
    I disagree. Your ideal waterproof rating varies depending on where you live. On the east coast, a 10k waterproof rating is more than enough, so long as you can layer to deal with varying temperatures. In Utah, 10k is fine, 20k is excellent. In Quebec and Onterrible, it doesn't even really matter what your waterproofing is, you just need something to deal with the -30 celsius temps at Avila. In the PNW, if you don't have a 20k+ (preferably 3-ply goretex) suit and you ride frequently you're not properly equipped. That being said, the main reason for needing 20k is wet snow or rain, and that stuff falls from the sky last time I checked, so the jacket's rating is actually more important than the pants (you have boots up to your mid calf, so if the bottom gets a little soggy you're still dry). The shoulder seams of the jacket are the point through which most moisture enters.
     
  6. MyMorningJacket

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    style, steez whatever you want to call it seems to be important but before i buy anything for skiing (in my case) the piece needs to be functional.

    does the jacket have enough pockets, are there vents in the right places, does the jacket/pants allow you to move freely for snowboarding/skiing, do the wrist gaitors actually help or detract?

    Those are the questions i ask before i get the steezy piece of clothing.

    I always liked burton (overpriced) and sessions gear, quality stuff.
     
  8. jefe

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    ....and sessions gear, quality stuff.


    +1. Good stuff for the price and a lot of different price points/technical fabrics to choose from. Plenty of steeze in the fit of their stuff without getting ridiculous.

    Orage and Holden are both solid in the looks department as well.
     
  9. Jimmyleaf

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    Any Burton AK 3 Layer gortex pro jackets is all you need. There are some pants and jackets on sale for more then 30% off at backcountryoutlet.com. I picked up a 3 Layer hover jacket and hover pants and its kept me warm (layer with a softshell) and dry through the worst and hasn't failed me yet. I love the styling of Burtons AK line also because they are very functional jackets, come in so many colors and styles. A bit pricy though but anyone who really snowboards, knows how expensive the sport is.
     
  10. Jimmyleaf

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    OH and aside from Burton, ive had good experiecnes with the brand 686. I love their smarty line which is jackets and pants that come with a removable liner. Its great because they are pretty warm and if its too warm outside because of spring riding, you can remove the liner and just use the shell. Also every year, they collaborate with another company, this year its Levis and they created a Denimish snowboard pants that actually looks pretty cool. I wasn't thrilled on how the jacket looked however. I also beleive the smarty line is 15k/10k which is fine for most places excluding B.C...however B.C is heaven.
     
  11. specialblend

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    DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS. What you are wearing is crucial to maxing out your steeze. Okay I'm being a little sarcastic. But this is not the place to be asking for advice on what to wear on the hill, it's a completely different arena and well out of the range of expertise of this forum. I will say that generally Holden's quality vastly exceeds most foursquare stuff. The majority of mainstream snowboard brands are really pretty low-rent in that respect. But since you live in Vancouver, I'd head down to 4th and Burrard to Pacific Boarder and Comor, and ask Marin what he thinks you should wear. I do likewise. It costs nowhere near that much, thanks to "teh mad industry hookups", but retail value is way more than that. Think about it, though, some people are riding upwards of 100 days per season, and a pair of skis or board isn't going to typically last more than 60 days on hill before the core is fucked. Outerwear, waterproofing wears off, shit gets torn by edges. Boots, soles get worn down through walking, and they get bashed up on things. Gloves should be replaced every year even if you ride half that much, they just don't last (aside from Marmot Randonees / Ultimates and the like, which you might get 2 out of). Goggs get scratched and the foam gets wrecked. You get the picture. The only thing that will really last for a while is bindings. If this seems expensive, consider the pros (some go through 8-10 pairs of skis per season) and consider those who have BC/Pow, touring and park specific setups. I know people with 2 sets of the exact same skis mounted at different points for different purposes. Try replacing all that on a regular basis. This shit's expensive... but we may console ourselves with the fact that at least it's still cheaper than mountain biking. I disagree. Your ideal waterproof rating varies depending on where you live. On the east coast, a 10k waterproof rating is more than enough, so long as you can layer to deal with varying temperatures. In Utah, 10k is fine, 20k is excellent. In Quebec and Onterrible, it doesn't even really matter what your waterproofing is, you just need something to deal with the -30 celsius temps at Avila. In the PNW, if you don't have a 20k+ (preferably 3-ply goretex) suit and you ride frequently you're not properly equipped. That being said, the main reason for needing 20k is wet snow or rain, and that stuff falls from the sky last time I checked, so the jacket's rating is actually more important than the pants (you have boots up to your mid calf, so if the bottom gets a little soggy you're still dry). The shoulder seams of the jacket are the point through which most moisture enters.
    Finally some useful information. I'll go back down and find Marin, thats where I found the Holden gear. I do ride frequently and need good gear. THe only reason I asked here was because i wanted a quick style critique. I didn't expect to find any knowledge about technical features.
     
  12. Johnnyscans

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    In a nutshell, spend the money on quality gear, your extremities will thank you, especially on those <-10 degree days.

    If you're in the market for baselayers and other undergarments, Patagonia and smart-wool both have awesome pieces.
     
  13. specialblend

    specialblend Well-Known Member

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    In a nutshell, spend the money on quality gear, your extremities will thank you, especially on those <-10 degree days.

    If you're in the market for baselayers and other undergarments, Patagonia and smart-wool both have awesome pieces.


    Once again, its not the money that concerns me and I know either way I'm getting quality gear. I AM NOT A NOVICE. This is purely a style question, nothing to do with quality or cost.
     
  14. bohemianmidnight

    bohemianmidnight Well-Known Member

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    Any Burton AK 3 Layer gortex pro jackets is all you need. There are some pants and jackets on sale for more then 30% off at backcountryoutlet.com. I picked up a 3 Layer hover jacket and hover pants and its kept me warm (layer with a softshell) and dry through the worst and hasn't failed me yet. I love the styling of Burtons AK line also because they are very functional jackets, come in so many colors and styles. A bit pricy though but anyone who really snowboards, knows how expensive the sport is.
    I own the AK sqwawk 3l gore jacket from last year. I got it for over 60% off(470-->180) last february. It is as good as it gets, imo. Great minimal styling, no unneeded zippers and pockets. The thing is perfect.
     
  15. KitAkira

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    Gore-tex > All Plain and simple, think about performance over "fashion" Too bad I'll be instructing this year so I'll have to wear their crappy used Spyder jackets :/​
     
  16. redgrail

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    Once again, its not the money that concerns me and I know either way I'm getting quality gear. I AM NOT A NOVICE. This is purely a style question, nothing to do with quality or cost.

    Then Holden ftw.
     
  17. KBW

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    I live on Crested Butte from early december until the middle of january and am on the slopes 5-6 days a week and would not be caught dead in that bottom jacket. I'm 22 by the way and while my jacket is brightly colored (red) it does not look like a clown like that jacket does. That is awful no offense
     
  18. rjmaiorano

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    Someone else mentioned 686 stuff and the smarty line. This is what I wear and the removable linings are a great extra, but I'm speaking from 65 degree Spring temps were you can actually get pretty hot on the hill.

    If you are still deciding on the gear, for what it is worth, I tried out slim(mer) fitting pants last year for a bit and I really didn't like them. I felt kinda constrained.
     
  19. mensoption

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    The second one looks better on you, but the first one in neat. You should stick to it.
     
  20. bsyde82

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    since snowboarding season is finally in full gear in tahoe, i think i'm cop some new gear...i've seen a lot of mention of holden on this thread, and I remember trying one on a few years back and thinking it was too big, even in a S. I'm about 5'8, fairly slim...are holden jackets still sized this large? I wanna get one online, but not sure if this brand fits me.

    and is holden carried anywhere in the south bay?
     

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