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Short ties - 56" and under

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by SkinnyT, Feb 25, 2016.

  1. SkinnyT

    SkinnyT Member

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    I have been searching everywhere - brick n mortar and online - for ties suitable for shorter men like me. I would like to be able to tie a four in hand knot, which is impossible when you're only 5'8" and the tie is 60" long. I am forced to tie a windsor, which in my opinion only suits tall and big men.

    Is there anyone who does short ties and which don't cost 100 dollars?
     
  2. WhereNext

    WhereNext Well-Known Member

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    Go to Sam Hober's website. I think most of their ties ring it at under $100 and you can get them customized any which way (including making them whatever length you like).
     
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    12345Michael54321 Well-Known Member

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    The Tie Bar offers hundreds of its ties in a choice of lengths - regular length is 58", long is 63", and Boys is 48".

    Frankly, I have a hard time believing that a 48" tie would work well for a man 5'8" in height. If it were me, I'd just buy regular length ties, and get them shortened. (Shortening a tie is a whole lot easier than lengthening one, after all. I suspect most competent alterations tailors could do a decent job of it.)
     
  4. jcmeyer

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    As a 5'5" guy I share your pain but there are lots of options. And I think you'll be fine at your height with anything that's 58" or less. At worst, you can always double-4IH it. My experience is the thicker the fabric/lining, the longer the tie can be.

    In addition to Hober, with whom I don't have any first-hand experience, here are three...

    1) Ebay - they even have a search selection field for shorter length and you'll find tons of brooks brothers and other nice ties. More than you'd think. That's generally for the pre-owned, sub-$50 range.

    2) Drake's 8cm (3.15") standard length is 147cm (57.8")

    3) Vanda - you can have them make any size you want of the fabrics they have, and we're talking length and width.
     
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    Hober - you will also benefit from the relatively conservative patterns relative to many other retailers. More than $25 but less than $100.
     
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    Oh yeah, missed the sub-$100 part. Vanda is out. Drakes you can find on sale sometimes.
     
  7. SkinnyT

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    Thanks for all the suggestions. Hober appears to be the best, since you can choose both width and length. However, they are very expensive, especially since I would have to pay various taxes (they ship from Thailand and I'm in Europe).

    I'm at a loss why everyone seems to make such long ties. It explains why everyone I know sports a huge Windsor knot. Even at 5'10", a four-in-hand knot would eave some excess fabric, unless you have very lowrise pants.

    I have come across this website TieCreators - has anyone heard of them? They make a 'Youth' tie at 53" length and 3" width (https://www.tiecreators.com/tie-specification). Still not perfect; I would prefer a slightly slimmer tie - 2.7". This length tie specifically is 65 dollars, but if you make a large order, the price comes down drastically. 10 ties = 29 dollars (27 euro) each.
     
  8. llamaone

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    This. I'm 5'10" and prefer a 59-60" tie, which leaves the back blade about 1-2" shorter than the front blade. Unless you have very odd proportions, a 57-58" tie should be about right for you at 5'8". This length is pretty common in most RTW ties these days. Try Kent Wang--their standard length is 57", offer a 3.5" or 3" width (I strongly discourage anything under 3", no matter how short/small your frame), have plenty of classic offerings, and prices are reasonable. Of course, Sam Hober is always a great option as well.

    Also keep in mind that it's perfectly acceptable--and some ever prefer--to have the back blade be just as long as the front blade when tied. Or even for the back blade to be longer by an inch or so.
     
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  9. SkinnyT

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    For a four in hand knot, 58" still doesn't work for me. I need 56" or less. This is with the back blade and front blade at equal length.

    Bear in mind that there are many other factors that determine where the tie falls - it's not just height:

    Neck girth - I'm a 15". A bigger guy would use up more fabric.

    Waist size - I'm a 29. The bigger the stomach the more fabric is used because the tie sort of rolls over the stomach.

    And then I like a rather small knot and I also want the tie to sit above the belt rather than cover it.

    I agree that 3 inch width would be ideal
     
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  10. llamaone

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    Well, you certainly know what you need more than anyone else. Sounds like Hober would be your best bet. Good luck to you. :)
     
  11. SkinnyT

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    For those of you interested, I've finally discovered a German brand that does 56" ties, which I think is a perfect length for men 5'6" to 5'9" who prefer the 'four in hand' knot. They come in two widths: 2.4inch (6cm) and 3inch (7.5cm) and they are all 100% silk. Priced very reasonably at between 30 and 55 dollars or so. The brand is called Eterna - https://www.eterna.de/en/.
     
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    If you like those ties, go for it, but to me those ties scream assistant night manager. I'd much rather wear a nice tie with a half Windsor than an ugly tie with a 4 in hand.
     
  13. SkinnyT

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    I'm looking for conservative ties and patterns, similar to what Daniel Craig wears:

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    They do have ugly ties, but aren't these similar to the above? Or do I need to get my eyes checked?

    https://www.eterna.de/en/men/ties/eterna-silk-tie-navy-white-patterned-7.5-cm-wide-14881

    https://www.eterna.de/en/men/ties/eterna-silk-tie-gray-11059

    https://www.eterna.de/en/men/ties/eterna-silk-tie-blue-eyed-7.5-cm-wide-14877

    https://www.eterna.de/en/men/ties/eterna-tie-black-6758
     
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    It's not for me to tell you what types of ties to like. My real point was to remind you to not let the 4 in hand tail wag the dog. That said, the ties you are looking at just look cheap. I think it was already mentioned, but ebay allows you to filter by length and width. You can get a short, narrow used good quality (eg,Polo or BB) for<$20.
     
  15. SkinnyT

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    What about them looks cheap? I'm new to ties and I'm open to learning. What makes the ties in the photos look more expensive than the those in the links?
     
  16. Sam Hober

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    SkinnyT,

    I understand your search, sadly you are not going to find a luxury conservative tie in the price range that you are talking about unless the tie is on sale or used.

    Some thoughts:

    1) The quality of the silk in that website won't be anywhere near the silk that you like in the photos. The silk will be more like the Tie Bar ties and will most likely be low grade Chinese silk.

    2) If you are price sensitive try the last tie in your list as it is the closest to what you like.

    3) If you are very lucky the length may work for you but as mentioned in this thread there are a number of variables for length not just height. Just as there are a number of variables in construction and silk quality.

    Good luck with your search.
     
  17. SkinnyT

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    Thanks for your comments. I am not looking for luxury, just decent ties that look good and shorter than average.I understand that construction and quality won't be amazing,but I still dont understand how a silk tie can simply 'look' cheap.
     
  18. 12345Michael54321

    12345Michael54321 Well-Known Member

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    The March 12, 2016, entry, at http://oxfordclothbuttondown.com/ - "True Confessions of a Trad: The Blunt Cut - addresses this very issue of making a four-in-hand knot work for one who is 5'8".
     
  19. Alex Hayes

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    Like with all things, you get what you pay for to a point. They look okay now, in the picture, but the silks will be lower quality the overall build will be lower quality (leading to a likely shorter life). I'm a huge fan of going pre-owned when on a budget. You get excellent quality at a very affordable price. I'd definitely try eBay.

    If you get a good quality tie and a cheap one next to each other you will see the difference. Cheap ones will look more dull, will tie worse knots, the printing will not be that great which contributes to the "dull" silk. (When I say dull, I just mean the colors are not as saturated and high quality. Like the difference between cheap and artist quality oil paints) And like I said, the cheap tie will look worse after much less wearing time than the good ones.
     
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  20. chippneckwear

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    For all those looking for shorter ties, I am 5'8"and I feel your pain. Any of the ties on the chippneckwear.com site can be shortened to the length you want. Ties can be "blunt cut and bound" at no extra cost, or can be re-cut to a point for a $15 charge. The great majority of those who have requested that I shorten a tie opt for the blunt cut - when you put the tail of the tie through the label and pin it to your shirt no one can see it.
    Paul Winston
    Winston Tailors/ www,chippneckwear.com
     

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