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Shoe Fit Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kronik, Jul 11, 2006.

  1. kronik

    kronik Well-Known Member

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    In recent light of the CT sale and the number of people that found that they were relatively ill-fitting in regards to their "posted" sizes, I figured it might be a good idea (if feasible) to compile a list of shoes that are true to size, run small, or run large.

    I'll start - CT Loakes - run approximately 1 size larger than posted.
    John Lobb 8000 (I'll correct if necessary) runs a little long.


    I'm not sure how well this can work or helpful it can be, but I figured it was worth a shot. I do realize that it will depend on the last as well so please note that if you can. [​IMG]
     
  2. pkincy

    pkincy Well-Known Member

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    I can join in.

    I consider my AEs as the standard and will wear a 9D in everything that will fit. If it doesn't fit well rather than change sizes I will pass.

    I wear a 8.5E in C&J 337 and 330 last
    and a 8.5E in John Lobb 8000 last although these fit less snugly than my EGs or C&Js. There is a chance I could/would wear an 8E in the 7000 last but that is from trying on the shoes not owning a pair yet.

    I wear an 8.5 E in EG 888 last and have ordered an 8.5E in the Chelsea on the 606 last from the sale.

    Perry
     
  3. mbc

    mbc Well-Known Member

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    I wear a 8.5E in C&J 337 and 330 last
    and a 8.5E in John Lobb 8000 last although these fit less snugly than my EGs or C&Js. There is a chance I could/would wear an 8E in the 7000 last but that is from trying on the shoes not owning a pair yet.

    I wear an 8.5 E in EG 888 last and have ordered an 8.5E in the Chelsea on the 606 last from the sale.

    Point of order... is that 8.5E the original UK size or converted to US size?
     
  4. pkincy

    pkincy Well-Known Member

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    Point of order... is that 8.5E the original UK size or converted to US size?

    UK size.

    Perry
     
  5. oscarthewild

    oscarthewild Well-Known Member

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    I can join in. I consider my AEs as the standard and will wear a 9D in everything that will fit. If it doesn't fit well rather than change sizes I will pass. I wear a 8.5E in C&J 337 and 330 last and a 8.5E in John Lobb 8000 last although these fit less snugly than my EGs or C&Js. There is a chance I could/would wear an 8E in the 7000 last but that is from trying on the shoes not owning a pair yet. I wear an 8.5 E in EG 888 last and have ordered an 8.5E in the Chelsea on the 606 last from the sale. Perry
    I wear a UK 9 E in the 337 and a UK 9.5E in the 330 last. (Find that 330 is considerably shorter than the 337) 10.5 in most US shoes. Size 10 US in Alden loafers though.
     
  6. tsherry

    tsherry Well-Known Member

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    CT calf derby UK 10 1/2 E
    CT suede chukka UK 10 1/2 E
    Tom James Barton (C & J) 12 D
    Santoni (regular line, not FAM) 12 D
    Paul Stuart (Grenson Masterpiece) 12 D
    Mephisto (11 1/2)
    Alden LHS 986 Cordovan 11 1/2 C
    Ferragamo patent pumps 12 M
    J & M (old) 12 M
     
  7. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Well-Known Member

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    Alden 11.5 B/D. (Same in J&M, Cole Haan FWIW). A very nice fit.
    Santoni 11.5 U.S - the same, perhaps a bit on the narrow side.
    RLPL by EG 888 last 11DUK/11.5 U.S, which gives a comfortable, snug fit. (I have a pair of 10.5E U.K.'s on the 89 last on the way and will edit this to update it as appropriate.)
    On the CT/Loake 23 last (semi-brogues) I wear a 10.5G, which fits fine but if anything a bit loose - possibly a 10.5F would be better.
    CT calf derby 10.5F fits well.
    In the CT/Loake suede chukka's, an 11 U.K. is way too big.
    In my Grenson/ Paul Stuart loafers, an 11.5 is a comfortable/loose fit.
    In Magli loafers, 11.5 is about right (there's some difference between the two models I own, I would have to look to give the specifics).
     
  8. skalogre

    skalogre Well-Known Member

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    Normally I wear a 10.5 US Loake / Charles Tyrwhitt last 029 (ie Norwich side-seam wholecut ) UK 10 is too loose at heel. UK 9.5 is still wide at heel but better fit. Loake / Charles Tyrwhitt last 026 (ie Charles Tyrwhitt black calfskin brogued ankle boots) UK 10 is a good fit, could possibly go down half size but heel fit is better than on the 029 last above. Grenson Ilkley brogued country boot - UK 10 (only available in G fit) - slightly loose at middle of boot, heel width is greater however it is very bearable and allows thicker or double sock. Polo Ralph Lauren Tarlton II double leather-soled boot with double upper buckles. US 10.5 is too loose at heel. Definitely need to size down. Loding Milan wholecut - US 10.5 is loose at heel. US 10 is a much better fit, width is good. Allen Edmonds Park Avenue - US 10 is a good fit but a slight bit too narrow at front of shoe. Don't remember what width it is. Allen Edmonds Fairfax - US 10.5 is loose at heel (wide width?) New info: Allen Edmonds Hastings - US 10 D is almost perfect Allen Edmonds Fairfax - US 10 D is almost perfect Update: R.M. Williams Stockman kangaroo leather buckle boots (jodphur boots) - 9 F Australian/UK size. Snug fit mid foot, very slight heel looseness but very comfy. Another update: Clarks Desert Boots: size 10 (US). Pretty good fit. Not sure if I could have gone down to 9.5, they may have been too snug. But they work ok with thin/dress socks and very well with slightly thicker socks. And another update: R.M. Williams Craftsman, 9G (Australian), yearling. Surprisingly it does not feel as snug as the kangaroo-leather Stockman, but at the same time it is not as loose at ankles as the Stockman. I'd blame my spindly ankles for that. Very comfortable. Stacy Adams Madison 00015 in size/width 10 D color Brown kidskin. Bought these because they were cheap and looked pretty decent unlike the vast majority of S.A. pimpwear. Fit is excellent. Comfortably snug, even at the ankles.
     
  9. kronik

    kronik Well-Known Member

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    No more contributions? I figured people would appreciate this thread. [​IMG]
     
  10. Riley Martin

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    I purchased 2 size 7.5 (uk) Loake shoes, Norwich and Twynning (spelling?).

    The Twynning fits perfectly but the Norwich is half a size on the loose side.
     
  11. kronik

    kronik Well-Known Member

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    Addition -

    Barker Black - 11 1/2, Worthington? last.
    Gucci - 10 1/2.
    To Boot New York driving mocs - 10 1/2.
    Santoni Brenden - 10 1/2.
    Santoni Bristol - 10 1/2 (length is great, tight across toebox, returning tomorrow).
     
  12. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff Well-Known Member

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    i know most people here like to wear their shoes on the snug side.
    i prefer on the bit looser side (not loose).
    i wear 10 in santoni classic perfect fit
    i can wear a 9.5 in santoni FAM but i prefer to stay consistent and get a santoni FAM in 10 as well. it still fits, just a tad bit looser.

    anything wrong with wearing shoes on the looser side? any opinions?
     
  13. Sartorially Challenged

    Sartorially Challenged Well-Known Member

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    There is a phenomenon I noticed. I was wondering whether others noticed this too.

    I wear AE, Polo in 9.5 US. Some Italian brands I wear 9. I find that 9.5 UK (9 US) Loake/CT are a bit on the loose side.

    Now, it seems that most sellers translate 9.5 US to 9 UK, but their translation to the European size vary. Some mark 9 US as 42 Eur, others makr 8.5 US as 42 Eur.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that with US and UK sizing, the fit varies (for me) from maker to maker. But if they specify the European size as 42, it invariably fits me, no matter what the brand. Why would this be the case?

    Anyone else notice this?
     
  14. kronik

    kronik Well-Known Member

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    I've noticed that as well.. I pretty much go for a 44 and hope for the best.
     
  15. skalogre

    skalogre Well-Known Member

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    Same here. Both Loding and Bexley funnily enough were rather generous with their conversion factors.
     
  16. NoVaguy

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    Allen Edmonds Park Avenue - US 10 is a good fit but a slight bit too narow. Don't remember what width it is.

    Allen Edmonds Fairfax - US 10.5 is loose at heel


    aren't these last two on the same last?

    I wear a 10.5D as my base size for Allen Edmonds (in the 1, 3, 4, 7 and 8 lasts).
    I have 2 Allen Edmonds 10.5E's that are slightly too wide.

    Bruno Magli chelseas - 10.5 M
    Brooks Brothers Peal - 10.5 D
    Brooks Brothers/Sebago penny loafer - 10.5 D
    Polo double buckle captoe monk - 10.5 D
    Polo Darlton shell cordovan wingtip - 10.5 D (tight at the vamp)
    Polo shell cordovan Jodhpur - 10.5 D - (less tighter in the vamp)
    I have or have worn a few other polo's - all 10.5 D.
    All of my other cheap shoes are 10.5 M or D.
    The sole alden I ever owned was also 10.5 D
    RLPL Camden by EG - a monkstrap on the 89 last - size 10/10.5D - fits fine.
    Stuart's Choice (Paul Stuart, made by Grenson, suede elastic slip-on) - 10.5D - fits fine.

    UK market shoes:
    C&J 337 Last 9.5E (UK)
    Grenson Masterpiece Rugby 9.5F (E width would probably be better)
    Grenson Footmaster Jodhpur 10E (9.5 would be a lot better)

    Edited: 2/15/2007 - added two new shoes - the RLPL by EG and Stuart's Choice
     
  17. Dragon

    Dragon Well-Known Member

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    Of course I am no expert, but from what I hear it is better to buy your shoes on the snug side and not with a loose fit. I think the reasoning is that the leather will stretch a little after a few wears, and the bottom of the shoes will sink a bit and mold to your feet. Also wearing shoes on the looser side encourages creasing marks.

    In addition, many lasts are designed to hold your feet tightly on the upper area around the strings to prevent your foot from sliding forward.

    If your toe area or the widest area of your feet are too tight, then you should just get a wider shoe.
     
  18. kitonbrioni

    kitonbrioni Well-Known Member

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    There is no true size for shoes/boots. I have a range of sizes. Try them on; walk around in them; if the shoe fits, then buy it.
     
  19. skalogre

    skalogre Well-Known Member

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    aren't these last two on the same last?
    ...


    Don't know; you could be right. I tried on the Fairfax at some shop, I don't remember what width it was so that was probably a factor.
     
  20. billiebob

    billiebob Well-Known Member

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    I measure US 11D - 11E on a Brannock device. I have a high arch, so I can't wear loafers. I wear 11D sneakers and in almost all shoes. I'll list the size marked in the shoe then my impressions.

    1. Polo Darlton, calf and cordo US 11D - tight everywhere for months, now OK
    2. Brooks Alden cordo plaintoe US 10.5D - perfect fit.
    3. Grenson masterpiece UK 10.5E/F - perfect fit
    4. Tyrwhitt Loake 026 last UK 10F - was tight for a month, now perfect
    5. Tyrwhitt Loake suede brogues UK10.5F- now a bit too loose all around.
    6. Ed Green for Asprey UK11/US11.5 E202- comfortable, but a little big
    7. Ed Green for Asprey UK10.5/US11 E202 - was snug, now perfect.
    8. Lattanzi for Asprey UK 10.5D - good fit, a little tight in the vamp.
     

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