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Shoe Damage Report & Shoe P0rn Central - Part II

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oyaji, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Well-Known Member

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    You know, this is the second pair of shoes that you have said this about of mine. I think all of the ripples are caused by my odd feet. I think you are evaluating shoes based on fit, which is kind of irrelevant to do with shoes unless they are bespoke. I would have a major issue if these were bespoke and creased like this, but if you look below at two pairs of shoes that I own you see some similaraties. I really think it is because I have yet to find a shoe that fits my high arch and high instep correctly.

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  2. mr monty

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    Email or call the Barker Black factory store
     
  3. HORNS

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  4. DWFII

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    Not really.
     
  5. Burton

    Burton Well-Known Member

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    I will do exactly that.
     
  6. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Well-Known Member

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    Care to extrapolate? I thought it was pretty spot on.
     
  7. DWFII

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    Alligators and crocodiles seem come in two variations...because they are bilaterally symmetrical, the belly tiles are usually arranged on either side of a clear "dividing" line that runs down the center of the belly. Sometimes that line will run unbroken from the throat to the anal vent. The left shoe is an example and has that line all the way to the toe.

    Other times the line will split and you'll get an extra tile or two right where the line would ordinarily be. The right shoe is one of those.

    Neither variation is superior to the other in terms of quality or even aesthetics. But they are different.

    There are several ways to cut alligator. You can even cut it on "on the bias" such that square tiles (from prime leather) display on the lateral side of the shoe while small round tiles display on the medial side. No harm, no foul. We still need to match skins but we can be a little more casual.

    But when the skin is cut to display the tiles running straight across the vamp then matching the skins becomes paramount. Simply because that dividing line becomes a "visual reference" that the eye is immediately drawn to.

    When a maker orders from a dealer he needs to specify matched skins...and one of the criteria that must be given weight is the the way in which the tiles are laid out.

    Crocodile or alligator skins come from living animals and each skin is unique so a perfect match is not possible but matching skins means paying attention to tile size, tile shape and tile location. All these criteria are important.

    Two out of three isn't a match, IMO

    What's more, the dividing line on the left shoe is centered; on the right it runs off to the lateral side.

    If it's a match it's a careless match.
     
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  8. SpooPoker

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    Thanks, DW. You summed it up nicely. You would agree though, that this is something .001% of the population would get looking at those shoes though, right?
     
  9. Mr. Moo

    Mr. Moo Well-Known Member

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    I noticed it after the comment about twin crocodiles. And then, I noticed it quickly. :eek:
     
  10. DWFII

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    Ordinarily you could make a case about most issues of this sort.

    But once you add the "visual referent" it's a different story. While most people couldn't articulate the reasons the shoes look "off," make no mistake, the eye has nevertheless seen it.

    One of the reasons we deem something "ugly" or "beautiful" is these subliminal cues that we don't stop to analyze. And some people are more affected by them than other people. Some people even train themselves to be more aware of them.

    BTW, there are other anomalies on those shoes. Look carefully at the insteps...while the tile sizes and shapes seem well matched the insteps are not cut to match. The interstitial lines run across the instep at different angles and at different locations on the instep.
     
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  11. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Well-Known Member

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    Look,
    it clear to see.
    lt not great match.
     
  12. Pliny

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    Yeah granted guys, but they still go up to ELEVEN [​IMG]

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  13. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
    They look better in real life.
     
  14. meister

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    Sorry I was too tight at the time to buy a pair.
     
  15. meister

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    Patrick you seem to be supernating on your right foot. Since I had a full knee replacement I have the same problem. I then pronate on the left foot. You supernate a little on the left foot but not las much as the right.

    Just looking at your shoes there you may need orthotics.
     
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    the buckles look cheapish, if i may say.

    never been a fan of the tuczek/cleverley toe, though
     
  17. patrickBOOTH

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    This was what most stuck out to my warped mind.



    I don't know what any of that means. I do know that I have badly knocked knees from when I was overweight for most of my youth, maybe that has something to do with it all.
     
  18. DWFII

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    Surely not.

    In fact, for me, there's even an element of disrespect that is more troubling than the result---at best, the leather has been diminished, IMO. At worst, wasted.

    Because whether you like them or not, think how much better they could have been...if the maker had simply slowed down and taken the time to examine the skins and cut them more judiciously.

    Maybe even a ten :sarcasm:
     
  19. Son Of Saphir

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    Yes. :nodding:
     
  20. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Well-Known Member

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    Many bad part,
    but most bad part in circle.
    No good maker should do that.
    Very very bad. :violin:
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    Me send them back.
    Clicker fail at job,
    why he so bad?
     
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