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Serious question that's going to make you all angry.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Jay Gatsby, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. Made in California

    Made in California Well-Known Member

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    Avocat, I have not taken a side in this argument yet because I do not understand everything that is said and I didn't read everything. I have noticed the word Porsche a couple of times, which is pretty cool because the cars are nimble and they look nice, I think. My attention span is very short... Do you think you can start offering a tl;dr (too long; didn't read) at the end of your posts? It would help me to make sense of this discussion. Here is an example, I am sure I will do a bad job because I am not you and I am not sure the points you are trying to get across.
    By all means ... The best delusion of it all is someone daring to 'judge' others for consumption (I hear Hilary Clinton's voice screeching in the background, why is that?), and making a whole bunch of assumptions. The best was the petite-bourgeois comment (a tired slang offered up by hippies and wannabe bloggers, mostly), and the foul and angry charge at those of us who in Fuuma's words "are born into it". Is there a point there? I assure you we don't "show off" and we don't care. My response was to not respond; I typically ignore those who, like Fuuma, have no idea what they are talking about and the whole thing is very sad. There's a lot of Green Party "consumerism" and "neo-marxism" drivel being espoused right now in Canada, along with NDP socialists (yes, you are lucky not to have to put up with that line of thinking in America, for it is delusional, indeed, and we face it everyday up here. It is more than tiring, and it is to that "justify" attitude to which I initially responded, as have many others here). Enough said, except to say that knocking people for style and consumption on a board dedicated to style and consumption? What a hypocrite. Then, it's what I would expect from someone who actually thinks sneakers and denim are "refinement" or, as here: "I like the crazy japanese brands though, stuff like this (or many CDG collections): http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...ead.php?t=7478 Not exactly the stuff of refinement, nor would it "fit" in a boardroom, I might add. I say again: hypocrite and drivel. BTW, as to my Porshe, that was a comment reflected to environmentalism drivel; it's a vintage Targa actually, which I've fully restored for my own pleasure and enjoyment. And among my watch collection (yes, I am a collector) I've a terrific historical piece, a WWII Rolex made in Canada, actually, and it's keeping great time, thanks. Like I said, I like it, the history of it, and the fact that these actual watches were worn by the CDN military (I've many others, but that particular one belonged to my father who was there, and I like the whole mystique of it: and that is all that matters - hardly to "show off", then, "people born into it" don't do that - about the only thing said that was right, but even that is wrong). Justify to yourself, people. That's all that matters. It is time to go back to work, really. Cheers. tl;dr - All Japanese are crazy and who likes hippies anywho, but the Carrera has been around for 150 years!!!
    So now people can respond without reading the whole post; we don't all get paid to read StyleForum you know! [​IMG]
     
  2. EZETHATSME

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  3. deadly7

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    Avocat, I have not taken a side in this argument yet because I do not understand everything that is said and I didn't read everything. I have noticed the word Porsche a couple of times, which is pretty cool because the cars are nimble and they look nice, I think. My attention span is very short... Do you think you can start offering a tl;dr (too long; didn't read) at the end of your posts? It would help me to make sense of this discussion.

    Here is an example, I am sure I will do a bad job because I am not you and I am not sure the points you are trying to get across.



    So now people can respond without reading the whole post; we don't all get paid to read StyleForum you know! [​IMG]


    Neither does he. The unemployed dude that reads Styleforum and writes page-long essays to pass himself off as an intellectual go-getter is indeed worthy of Marxist envy. I WISH I HAD HIS SKILLS, BRAH. I'M JEALOUS OF HIS FERRARIZ.
     
  4. Trompe le Monde

    Trompe le Monde Well-Known Member

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    Your words say far more about you than you realize.

    I shall not partake in any of your infantile games.


    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  5. Lightbringer

    Lightbringer Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he simply neglected to wind it.

    To the OP, most people appreciate the finer aspects of something in their lives, whether it be watches, art, cars, wine, instruments, organic food, whatever. Clothing is no exception. I think it's pretty natural when you are passionate about something that you gain an appreciation what the best of that something is, and then aspire to enjoy your interests on the highest level you can. The marginal value of those items to you can't be justified to someone who doesn't share that same passion.

    Of course, there is also the possibility that people are driven to acquire such things to impress people on the internet, which is my primary motivation.


    Maybe it had some sort of emotional value to him? My friend has a nice watch which is broken, but be still wears it around because his mom gave it to him years ago as a gift.
     
  6. Doxe

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    [Whenever I see someone in a supercar I just feel really happy inside because I realize that that person gave up comfort, storage, gas mileage, they can't even drive on some roads, an so on and they did it all so that they could have the best driving experience possible. So when I see someone's willing to pay $1800 for a plastic door latch, I think about how much they must care about cars and driving (which is something I'm passionate about) and it makes me happy.[/color]

    +1

    I had the chance to see a Mercedes McLaren SLR when it was first released. I was walking across an intersection and the Merc was waiting at the light. The driver was an old, white haired, fattish banker looking type. When I realized what he was driving, I stopped, turned to look at the driver and gave him the biggest thumbs-up I could. I was like a child seeing a shiny new red fire-engine.

    The driver smiled and gave me a thumbs-up right back.

    There is a delight that comes with the knowledge that there are beautiful things in the World. I may not own a particular item myself, but I can appreciate the joy of someone who does.
     
  7. TC (Houston)

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    Completely disagree. Those unglamorous things are what make it awesome. This point has been brought up in this thread, but I'll just relate it to cars: Whenever I see someone in a supercar I just feel really happy inside because I realize that that person gave up comfort, storage, gas mileage, they can't even drive on some roads, an so on and they did it all so that they could have the best driving experience possible. So when I see someone's willing to pay $1800 for a plastic door latch, I think about how much they must care about cars and driving (which is something I'm passionate about) and it makes me happy.

    I had the chance to see a Mercedes McLaren SLR when it was first released. I was walking across an intersection and the Merc was waiting at the light. The driver was an old, white haired, fattish banker looking type. When I realized what he was driving, I stopped, turned to look at the driver and gave him the biggest thumbs-up I could. I was like a child seeing a shiny new red fire-engine.

    It's nice to hear how excited you guys are about stuff like this.
     
  8. bleachboy

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    Just so everybody remembers: This is a troll thread. Anybody arguing that buying nice shoes is a stupid move is a troll.

    It's like somebody who goes to a Rolex forum and calls everybody sheeple for buying Rolex. Classic troll.
     
  9. negusnegas

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    @ Made in California, it is still stupid thread whether I have five posts or forty posts per page. It has devolved into a pissing contest between a couple people and, meanwhile, the original question is so juvenile that it doesn't even deserve three posts. I agree with the person above that the thread bears the mark of trolling and yet it seems people have been goaded into having it out over nothing.
     
  10. voxsartoria

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    It's nice to hear how excited you guys are about stuff like this.

    What up, Gramps?

    [​IMG]


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  11. TC (Houston)

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    What up, Gramps?

    [​IMG]


    - B


    What up?! Same ol, just cashing (SS) checks and breaking hips.
     
  12. lasbar

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    By all means ... The best delusion of it all is someone daring to 'judge' others for consumption (I hear Hilary Clinton's voice screeching in the background, why is that?), and making a whole bunch of assumptions. The best was the petite-bourgeois comment (a tired slang offered up by hippies and wannabe bloggers, mostly), and the foul and angry charge at those of us who in Fuuma's words "are born into it". Is there a point there? I assure you we don't "show off" and we don't care.

    My response was to not respond; I typically ignore those who, like Fuuma, have no idea what they are talking about and the whole thing is very sad.

    There's a lot of Green Party "consumerism" and "neo-marxism" drivel being espoused right now in Canada, along with NDP socialists (yes, you are lucky not to have to put up with that line of thinking in America, for it is delusional, indeed, and we face it everyday up here. It is more than tiring, and it is to that "justify" attitude to which I initially responded, as have many others here). Enough said, except to say that knocking people for style and consumption on a board dedicated to style and consumption? What a hypocrite. Then, it's what I would expect from someone who actually thinks sneakers and denim are "refinement" or, as here:

    "I like the crazy japanese brands though, stuff like this (or many CDG collections):
    http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...ead.php?t=7478

    Not exactly the stuff of refinement, nor would it "fit" in a boardroom, I might add. I say again: hypocrite and drivel.

    BTW, as to my Porshe, that was a comment reflected to environmentalism drivel; it's a vintage Targa actually, which I've fully restored for my own pleasure and enjoyment. And among my watch collection (yes, I am a collector) I've a terrific historical piece, a WWII Rolex made in Canada, actually, and it's keeping great time, thanks. Like I said, I like it, the history of it, and the fact that these actual watches were worn by the CDN military (I've many others, but that particular one belonged to my father who was there, and I like the whole mystique of it: and that is all that matters - hardly to "show off", then, "people born into it" don't do that - about the only thing said that was right, but even that is wrong).

    Justify to yourself, people. That's all that matters.

    It is time to go back to work, really.

    Cheers.



    I used to like Canadians before reading your thread...
     
  13. Avocat

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    Here is an example, I am sure I will do a bad job because I am not you and I am not sure the points you are trying to get across.



    tl;dr - All Japanese are crazy and who likes hippies anywho, but the Carrera has been around for 150 years!!!

    So now people can respond without reading the whole post; we don't all get paid to read StyleForum you know! [​IMG]



    Made in California, Re: your tl/DR idea is an excellent one; just add "gaudy fashion, etc.", in b/w Japanese and crazy and I thank you for same. Your point is well taken, then, I am still "learning the posting" ropes as they say, being neither a twitterite and most certainly not a hyper-texter either; and no, Deadly 7, I'm not a blogger nor paid to write/read forums, etc. either.

    I do, however, shoot from the hip and rather quickly; comes from decades of higher education, not that it matters, at all. Anywho, ... the very idea of having to justify anything to anyone (much less trolls, indeed) is a dangerous one. Slippery slope, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, and I shall leave this caveat (from experience in the North) at that; such a silly question in turn.

    Besto
     
  14. JesseJB

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    "I do, however, shoot from the hip and rather quickly; comes from decades of higher education, not that it matters, at all. Besto."


    I can use this at a party?
     
  15. Nathaniel72

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    Men's fashion/style is pretty much timeless so in some cases, depending on the article, it could last you a lifetime. Me personally, I buy things that are more expensive because I can not resist doing it. I usually shop around for the best price on everything that I buy, but when it comes to some things that I see I just fall in love. I will actually lose sleep thinking about whether or not I should buy some things, or how I would go upon finding a substitute to satisfy my craving for whatever thing it may be. It's not that I need to spend a lot of money, some of my favorite and most prized possessions come from Goodwill or other thrift stores, but sometimes I see a certain material, or some kind of special detail work that I can not resist thinking about. It's almost like finding a great piece of art. Most everything that I own I absolutely love. It's almost sad to some degree because everything I do own is of limited supply and I would most likely never be able to find it again. So, since I fear that these things might somehow be damaged or not last as long as I would like, I take very good care of them and I make sure that they are able to live as long as possible.

    When it comes to having things refurbished and repaired when you can just replace them, it doesn't really seem that practical and it's obviously an old world idea, which is exactly why you're asking this question. But I also think it's something that's still appropriate for modern times, practicality may not necessarily be the best route when it comes to just throwing something away. It may not seem like it but precious resources are scarce and so they should be given a full and useful life. Basically, if it can be used somehow, then it should be.

    I also think it's sort of romantic when you don't throw things away, if they were worth having once then they are probably still worth having. They may not be the most useful but they carry a lot of memories, and they've served you well. Plus it's always nice to have things with character because unlike something shiny and new, it tells a story.
     
  16. AlmostFullBenefits

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    With any item you buy (or obtain), there is an opportunity cost, which is applicable to you, at a given time, in a given circumstance. If you have far better things to spend your money on, for you the potential opportunity cost between a Patek Philippe and something like a Grand Seiko will be something to balk at, despite the arguable differences (or similarities) in craftsmanship, materials, or aesthetics.

    Now then, I have nothing more to add to this thread, so here's a picture of Morgan Freedman with a cat on his head.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. RSS

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    By all means ... The best delusion of it all is someone daring to 'judge' others for consumption (I hear Hilary Clinton's voice screeching in the background, why is that?), and making a whole bunch of assumptions. The best was the petite-bourgeois comment (a tired slang offered up by hippies and wannabe bloggers, mostly), and the foul and angry charge at those of us who in Fuuma's words "are born into it". Is there a point there? I assure you we don't "show off" and we don't care.

    My response was to not respond; I typically ignore those who, like Fuuma, have no idea what they are talking about and the whole thing is very sad.

    There's a lot of Green Party "consumerism" and "neo-marxism" drivel being espoused right now in Canada, along with NDP socialists (yes, you are lucky not to have to put up with that line of thinking in America, for it is delusional, indeed, and we face it everyday up here. It is more than tiring, and it is to that "justify" attitude to which I initially responded, as have many others here). Enough said, except to say that knocking people for style and consumption on a board dedicated to style and consumption? What a hypocrite. Then, it's what I would expect from someone who actually thinks sneakers and denim are "refinement" or, as here:

    "I like the crazy japanese brands though, stuff like this (or many CDG collections):
    http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...ead.php?t=7478

    Not exactly the stuff of refinement, nor would it "fit" in a boardroom, I might add. I say again: hypocrite and drivel.

    BTW, as to my Porshe, that was a comment reflected to environmentalism drivel; it's a vintage Targa actually, which I've fully restored for my own pleasure and enjoyment. And among my watch collection (yes, I am a collector) I've a terrific historical piece, a WWII Rolex made in Canada, actually, and it's keeping great time, thanks. Like I said, I like it, the history of it, and the fact that these actual watches were worn by the CDN military (I've many others, but that particular one belonged to my father who was there, and I like the whole mystique of it: and that is all that matters - hardly to "show off", then, "people born into it" don't do that - about the only thing said that was right, but even that is wrong).

    Justify to yourself, people. That's all that matters.

    It is time to go back to work, really.

    Cheers.


    My apologies in advance. I am not about to read your post. Base on history it will be excessively over the top.

    EDIT: I suggest making a good number of short posts ... to help you along toward a post count of 100. Once you hit the magic number ... a quick trip to CE will provide you with political/cultural kinfolk.
     
  18. lasbar

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    My apologies in advance. I am not about to read your post. Base on history it will be excessively over the top.

    How do they call the tea party in Canada?

    I'm curious....
     
  19. RSS

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    How do they call the tea party in Canada?

    I'm curious....

    Not Canadien/ian here ... I'll defer to one ... if one happens along.
     
  20. Doxe

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    I used to like Canadians before reading your thread...

    So did I.

    [​IMG]
     

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