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Scotch Drinkers -- JW Swing Available in US

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by Huntsman, Apr 10, 2006.

  1. Huntsman

    Huntsman Well-Known Member

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    It seems that one of the older (discontinued, rather than aged) varieties of Johnnie Walker scotch is available again in the US -- Swing. Swing is an undated scotch with an odd convex-bottomed bottle that rocks when displaced. It, and its cousin Superior Swing, have been hard to find in the US for some time. SS is still vapor, but it's nice to have Swing back. Moves to the top of my list.

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    Huntsman
     
  2. Homme

    Homme Well-Known Member

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    I think you can get it in Australia, at the duty-free store at Sydney's airport. It was either Swing or Premier - i can't quite remember.
     
  3. Bouji

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    You'd do much better with gold or green.
     
  4. Huntsman

    Huntsman Well-Known Member

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    Well, I can't say I agree, but merely as a matter of lack of knowledge. Have you had it? Maybe I'll just leave it in the bottle, then. I stock JW Red, Black, Gold and Green (Blue will be a gift to myself when I graduate), but Swing has a cachet, and I've been wanting a bottle for some time.

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  5. Bouji

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    Well, I can't say I agree, but merely as a matter of lack of knowledge. Have you had it? Maybe I'll just leave it in the bottle, then. I stock JW Red, Black, Gold and Green (Blue will be a gift to myself when I graduate), but Swing has a cachet, and I've been wanting a bottle for some time.

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    Huntsman


    Swing and Superior Swing have been readily availible in the UK for a long time. It is worth a try, but I preffer Gold. Each to their own, I would not say I'm an expert, but I know what I like.
    Other ones I like are
    Macallan
    Laguvain
    Laphroig
     
  6. Huntsman

    Huntsman Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but that's the UK! On this side of the pond, it's not so much. I agree with you completely about Gold. I enjoy it very much. I also agree on Macallan and Lagavulin -- high on my list. Laphroig, too on a good day.

    I'd say knowing what you like does make you an expert, though!

    Reagrds,
    Huntsman
     
  7. Bouji

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    Yes, but that's the UK! On this side of the pond, it's not so much. I agree with you completely about Gold. I enjoy it very much. I also agree on Macallan and Lagavulin -- high on my list. Laphroig, too on a good day.

    I'd say knowing what you like does make you an expert, though!

    Reagrds,
    Huntsman


    Haha, I apologise about the spellings..

    Have you had JW Oldest?
     
  8. Horace

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    Speaking of Johnnie Walker --

    I think there is a noticeably difference in taste between the red and black labels. You get used to the black stuff and the red pales in comparison.

    But I've always felt that the other two or three (blue and what? gold?) priced above the black label weren't worth the money.

    Thoughts?
     
  9. Homme

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    Gold label in Australia costs about $100 USD (when a friend was in Lebanon he was buying it for $50 USD [​IMG] ). Blue label is roughly double that. I think gold label is worth the money, and blue isn't; i couldn't justify buying a bottle of blue when instead i could get 2 bottles of gold, or 3 of Lagavulin or 4 of Laphroaig.
     
  10. Bouji

    Bouji Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of Johnnie Walker --

    I think there is a noticeably difference in taste between the red and black labels. You get used to the black stuff and the red pales in comparison.

    But I've always felt that the other two or three (blue and what? gold?) priced above the black label weren't worth the money.

    Thoughts?


    I agree about Black being miles ahead of Red.

    I can't say the same about Gold not being worth it, I think it is, that said, it is 40 GBP here, and Black costs about 25 GBP.
     
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    I still prefer a Macallan 18 year or a Glenmorangie Fino Sherry Wood Finish.
     
  12. Tyto

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    Speaking of Johnnie Walker --

    I think there is a noticeably difference in taste between the red and black labels. You get used to the black stuff and the red pales in comparison.

    But I've always felt that the other two or three (blue and what? gold?) priced above the black label weren't worth the money.

    Thoughts?


    Your observation about Black v. Red is spot on. Lagavulin is the base for Black; Cardhu for Red, so the flavor profiles are totally different, even setting age aside. I really enjoy Gold--it's almost creamy--but I'm not sure it's 66-75% better than Black, as the price would seem to indicate.

    As for Green and Blue, save your money. To my palate, they both taste weak and lack complexity, though Blue is very smooth. I'll grant that I'm an Islay drinker who generally likes a lot of smoke and Iodine, but compare Blue even to, say, MacAllan 18 or Balvenie 21, both of which are less expensive, and it fares poorly.

    I've tried swing, and found it to be very much like Red. Not bad for the price.
     
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    I still prefer a Macallan 18 year or a Glenmorangie Fino Sherry Wood Finish.

    Ah, Glenorangie, a man after my own heart. I'm partial to the Port wood finish, but the sherry makes me happy, too. Has anyone tried Welsh Whiskey? Only 1 or 2 distilleries left, Prince of Wales most notably, to provide the whiskey to Buckingham Palace as a part of its charter.
    Be Better Guys
     
  14. Huntsman

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    Your observation about Black v. Red is spot on. Lagavulin is the base for Black; Cardhu for Red, so the flavor profiles are totally different, even setting age aside. I really enjoy Gold--it's almost creamy--but I'm not sure it's 66-75% better than Black, as the price would seem to indicate.

    What's the source of the info on the malt content of Black? I was given to understand that Black has a Speyside base, though heavily influenced by Islay malts. In fact, that Cardhu is the single largest contributor to Black, with a good shot of Lagavulin and Caol Ila as well. Red seems to have a higher grain percentage.

    I also enjoy Gold very much.

    Regards,
    Huntsman
     
  15. turbozed

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    I still prefer a Macallan 18 year or a Glenmorangie Fino Sherry Wood Finish.
    I'll second that in regards to the Macallan's 18 year. For the price point, Blue label isn't worth the money when much better single malts could be had. I also (completely) agree with whoever said that Black label is much better than Red. I've tried Green and I can't really see too much difference between it and Black. One of these days, I'll just have to line up a few glasses and do a taste test. In the end, it's still just a matter of taste. Surprisingly, though, I've talked to a lot of scotch drinkers and the opinions are relatively similar (although I've met a few who will only drink single malt and surprisingly some that only drink blended). For nights where I wanna roll cheaply I'll drink Black label or Macallans 12. When I feel like I want to spend more money I'll go for the 18. Although I'm always willing to give new names a try. Bevmo.com has some pretty good rankings and prices for scotch. Speaking of Bevmo.... Has anyone tried the Bowmore Scotch Darkest Sherry Finish? http://www.bevmo.com/productinfo.asp...hestRating%7C1 It's rated second highest on Bevmo (right behind the Macallan 25 year which I would love to try) and only $59.95. That sounds like a great value to me.
     
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    Your observation about Black v. Red is spot on. Lagavulin is the base for Black; Cardhu for Red, so the flavor profiles are totally different, even setting age aside. I really enjoy Gold--it's almost creamy--but I'm not sure it's 66-75% better than Black, as the price would seem to indicate.

    As for Green and Blue, save your money. To my palate, they both taste weak and lack complexity, though Blue is very smooth. I'll grant that I'm an Islay drinker who generally likes a lot of smoke and Iodine, but compare Blue even to, say, MacAllan 18 or Balvenie 21, both of which are less expensive, and it fares poorly.

    I've tried swing, and found it to be very much like Red. Not bad for the price.



    never heard of swing. i've usually got a bottle of black label in the house (costs no more than 18GBP), but though its an easy drinker, it's just a safe boring blend surely? one of my closest mates has got a bottle of blue label which i've had a few glasses of, but i reckon it's way too smooth, it reminded me of irish whisk(e)y rather than scotch...and again, a blend.

    my dear grandma-ma lives in campbeltown(scots west coast) and i always pop into cadenheads when i'm there and pick up a treat ( http://www.wmcadenhead.com/cadenheads/index.html ) - often they have 2 or 3 casks behind the counter that they bottle direct from (sometimes up to nearly 60%abv if memory serves - you gotta water that stuff down, at least a bit). campbeltown's whisky is springbank so i usually pick up an 8 or 10 year old bottle of that (fairly cheap - 20GPB to 30GPB) as well, quite salty and minerally, different from the smoky peatiness of talisker say...anyway, my point is, it's all loads nicer than JW blue.

    got me thinking, i'm back up in scotland late summer, can't wait, it's a beautiful country.
     
  17. Tyto

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    What's the source of the info on the malt content of Black? I was given to understand that Black has a Speyside base, though heavily influenced by Islay malts. In fact, that Cardhu is the single largest contributor to Black, with a good shot of Lagavulin and Caol Ila as well. Red seems to have a higher grain percentage.
    You're generally right about the blend, I think, and I misspoke: I was referring to the flavor base/backbone (as it was explained to me), rather than the primary ingredients by volume. Cardhu is clearly the most influential flavor component for Red, as Lagavulin is for Black. If I recall, though, Caol Ila is present in Gold and Blue, but not Black.
     

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