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Schubert Shoes Arrived!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kcgreg, Jun 8, 2006.

  1. 5thave

    5thave Active Member

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    What grade are those? the SC?
     
  2. seok

    seok Well-Known Member

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    easy, guys, easy...

    i sent kcgreg 2 types of buckle--a gold-colored one without writing and a silver-colored one which had a label on it.

    as for the unseemly wide shoe, well, it needs to account for an extra-wide foot.

    as for the construction method and the general elegance, i think everyone will be pleased with the shoe model that jjgold will receive in a month's time.
     
  3. gdl203

    gdl203 Well-Known Member

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    wow... [​IMG]

    This is what was ordered for a custom shoe
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    ... and this is what was delivered?
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    I'm growing a little concerned now that I have booked an appointment for next week with seok... I'm not sure whether I should cut my losses (and lose the $50 deposit) or take the risk to pay $250-350 for a pair of shoes that may look nothing like my wishes or specs and that I will never wear... [​IMG]
     
  4. Dapper Dandy

    Dapper Dandy Well-Known Member

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    I'm by no means an expert on shoes, nor am I a fan of kcgreg's shoes, but I must say that I think one of the problems here is trying to widen a static last, as alluded to earlier. Just as you can't have the waist of a sack suit jacket taken in massively and expect it to have the European look, you can't widen a last intended for a narrow foot without throwing off the proportions. So, I don't blame Schubert 100% for the shoes not turning out well, at least in terms of appearance.
     
  5. j

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    It seems like they are going to have to learn how to say "no, that's not going to be possible for your foot". The leather quality doesn't look up to snuff, and they are going to need to learn a lot about how an elegant shape is to achieved - can they bevel the waist, do they shank the shoe so the waist can be narrow, do they recognize a chisel toe and know how to make one, can they stitch more finely and hide the stitches better, etc...

    Here's hoping they can improve, quickly.
     
  6. whoopee

    whoopee Well-Known Member

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    This is a clear cut example of the stereotypes regarding non-Western artisans.

    For anyone who continues down this path, make sure you have a very detailed list of specifications on what you want and demand that they are implemented. Only then do you have a chance of pinning down a good product. Of course, that means gaining a certain level of expertise in shoes, but that's what this forum is here for.
     
  7. RJman

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    Was Schubert sent different pictures of the shoe to copy taken from different angles, or just the one?
     
  8. LabelKing

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    That Kiton shoe and its accompanying last is not the easiest shoe to copy since it's not particularly distinct in its shape.
     
  9. seok

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    we are learning everyday and i owe SF for the members' detailed feedback.

    as to the tightness of the shoes, we learned that the scanning/fax tracing of all members who reported unusual tightness were transmitted at under 100% setting. since the foot tracing is the main piece to the shoe construction, tracings that were transmitted/scanned at below 100% did come out tightly. fit has never been an issue when feet were measured by the shoemaker and me.

    starting from jjgold's SC-line purchase, we are having another shoemaker come in line (who will exclusively make the SC-line products), with superior construction and more subtle stitching.

    thanks again everyone.

    It seems like they are going to have to learn how to say "no, that's not going to be possible for your foot". The leather quality doesn't look up to snuff, and they are going to need to learn a lot about how an elegant shape is to achieved - can they bevel the waist, do they shank the shoe so the waist can be narrow, do they recognize a chisel toe and know how to make one, can they stitch more finely and hide the stitches better, etc...

    Here's hoping they can improve, quickly.
     
  10. gdl203

    gdl203 Well-Known Member

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    we are learning everyday and i owe SF for the members' detailed feedback.

    as to the tightness of the shoes, we learned that the scanning/fax tracing of all members who reported unusual tightness were transmitted at under 100% setting. since the foot tracing is the main piece to the shoe construction, tracings that were transmitted/scanned at below 100% did come out tightly. fit has never been an issue when feet were measured by the shoemaker and me.

    starting from jjgold's SC-line purchase, we are having another shoemaker come in line (who will exclusively make the SC-line products), with superior construction and more subtle stitching.

    thanks again everyone.


    seok - will you have samples of work by this new shoemaker in NY next week?
     
  11. seok

    seok Well-Known Member

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    yes.

    seok - will you have samples of work by this new shoemaker in NY next week?
     

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