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San Fransico/San Jose/Monterey trip.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tokyo Slim, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. whodini

    whodini Well-Known Member

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    Shake's are great but as a long time In-N-Out'er (pun intended?), I've never been huge about the fries. Too dry for my tastes. The key to their burgers is simplicity, freshness, and quality.

    What's Red Mill?
     
  2. Tokyo Slim

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    Shake's are great but as a long time In-N-Out'er (pun intended?), I've never been huge about the fries. Too dry for my tastes. The key to their burgers is simplicity, freshness, and quality.

    What's Red Mill?


    Its (by far) the best Burger and onion rings in Seattle (bacon deluxue w/cheese, onion rings w/ranch and a large coke = $9.73 with tax)

    Its number 17 on the GQ "20 Hamburgers to eat before you die" list. And still the best bacon cheeseburger I've ever had.

    It doesn't really compare to In-N-Out, like I said, I-N-O is much closer to Dick's than anything else, but Red Mill is the standard by which all other burgers in my mind are judged until I have something better.
     
  3. whodini

    whodini Well-Known Member

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    Damn...thanks for telling me. The only thing I can think of when passing through Seattle is a bowl of red chowder and basket of salmon n' chips from Ivar's.

    Guess I'll have to add Red Mill to my list.

    BTW, I think the fact that you know the exact total of that order says a lot. Seriously, see a cardiologist.
     
  4. Manton

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    It was great to meet J and Slim. They found nothing good in Santa Cruz's three thrift stores, alas. Sorry about that. They seemed more at home in my home town than I ever did, which I suppose is not surprising.
     
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    It was great to meet J and Slim. They found nothing good in Santa Cruz's three thrift stores, alas. Sorry about that. They seemed more at home in my home town than I ever did, which I suppose is not surprising.

    What a difference a generation makes!

    Santa Cruz's counter culture was always seething just below the surface in my experience. Maybe it was not until after your departure that the not so hidden became the primary visual.

    I left my birth town of Santa Cruz in the late 1960s. Each subsequent return was more and more disquieting for me. Perhaps my dynamic nature simply wished for some static anchorage? Sadly and certainly, it was not to be found in Santa Cruz.

    With the boiling-over of the aforementioned counter culture now pretty much complete, it is no wonder that that the Two Gentlemen from Seattle were so at home. Today's Santa Cruz and Seattle share many similarities. My fond memories of Santa Cruz are just that: fond memories. Heraclitus was correct; "You cannot step into the same river twice."

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  6. Manton

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    Santa Cruz’s counter culture was always seething just below the surface in my experience ... I left my birth town of Santa Cruz in the late 1960s.
    The U.C. campus opened in 1967. This is not a coincidence. Before that, Santa Cruz had two industries: fishing and tourism. The fisherman were almost all Italians, with a few Portugese. The tourists were working class Italians (mostly) from SF and Italian grocers and farmers from the Central Valley. Some Irish and others, but all Catholic. Rich people went to Monterey and the Hotel Del Monte. REALLY rich people had second homes in Pebble Beach.

    The University changed all that. Brought in, ummmm, vitality.
     
  7. Full Canvas

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    The U.C. campus opened in 1967. This is not a coincidence. Before that, Santa Cruz had two industries: fishing and tourism. The fisherman were almost all Italians, with a few Portugese. The tourists were working class Italians (mostly) from SF and Italian grocers and farmers from the Central Valley. Some Irish and others, but all Catholic. Rich people went to Monterey and the Hotel Del Monte. REALLY rich people had second homes in Pebble Beach.

    The University changed all that. Brought in, ummmm, vitality.


    Yes. As teens, we attended the (then) relatively unknown races at Laguna Seca and the Concours d'Elegance each year at Del Monte Lodge. That was long before Del Monte sold it. Now, one simply stays at The Lodge at Pebble Beach.

    I have to laugh. Your remarks about the opening of UC Santa Cruz and its mark of "vitality" only serve to remind me of another irony. I departed Santa Cruz for San Diego. Shortly after my arrival in La Jolla, UC San Diego was making a similar mark on the formerly sleepy La Jolla. I could run; but, I couldn't hide.

    It sounds like a parade; but it is just time marching onward.

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  8. Steve B.

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    Long live the banana slugs!
     
  9. Matt

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    do they have Fat Burger in Norcal?
     
  10. whodini

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    do they have Fat Burger in Norcal?
    They've got something similar called Nations only with less mustard and relish.
     
  11. Tokyo Slim

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    They've got something similar called Nations only with less mustard and relish.

    They have fatburger in Seattle. It's relatively good, but it's also no Red Mill. I'm the only one I know who eats it with the egg on it.
     
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    Slim, J...Merry Christmas guys.
     
  13. whodini

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    They have fatburger in Seattle. It's relatively good, but it's also no Red Mill. I'm the only one I know who eats it with the egg on it.
    Is there a 20 min wait for your burger regardless of the size of the line? Every Fatburger in SoCal's that way. Makes the drive-thru a joke.
     
  14. Tokyo Slim

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    Thanks, J is out and about with mnemonic at a "mall". I didn't really relish the idea of walking around a mall the night before Christmas with no money. [​IMG]
     
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    Is there a 20 min wait for your burger regardless of the size of the line?

    Every Fatburger in SoCal's that way. Makes the drive-thru a joke.


    Yeah, its pretty much that way, they never start cooking it until you order, and they are pretty slow.

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  16. whodini

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    Scrooge bastards....
     
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    There are two really good pizza places if you are looking for very traditional Italian pizza (not pepperoni). My favorite is Delfina Pizzeria which is in the Mission. You need to wait for a table, but they let you drink on the street so it is OK. Fancier is A16, but I don't think that it is as good. Zachary's in Berkeley is supposed to be great, but I don't love it. Tommaso's is good and old San Francisco and has the advantage (I guess) of being next to a bunch of strip clubs.

    For burgers I think that Mo's in North Beach is the best. I wouldn't really call it a restaurant, but it is very tasty. Some people swear by Taylor's at the Ferry Building, but I think that it is a big yuppy nightmare.

    If you like Mexican food, La Tacqueria is an absolute must. It is a taco/burrito stand but very traditional. I would definitely be up for heading out there if we can come up with the right time.

    The drive is a couple of hours to Monterrey.


    • la taqueria: +1 ...go for the lengua
    • zachary's in oakland and berkeley is all-time great chicago-style pizza. oh man.
    • barney's is good burgers, also in oakland and berkeley (or albany, not sure which, it's on solano ave.)
    • in oakland the barney's and zachary's happen to be about 1/2 block apart. that's my neighborhood, Rockridge.
    • mo's is good too. rotating grill - gotta love it. there's another rotating grill (at least there was several years ago) at a little hole in the wall on the main drag in sausalito as well.
     
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    La Tacqueria was closed for the holiday season, but we went to one across the street that was really awesome. They have something written on their building about having the best tacos. The ceviche tostadas were really good but too crunchy, but the carnitas taco I got was amazing.

    Lori's Diner up in the building across from H&M was awesome - by far the best corned beef hash I've ever had. Definitely check it out if you think you can survive a post Xmas sale trip downtown.
     
  19. faustian bargain

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    been to lori's a couple times; it's good diner style food.

    better, however, is Mel's diner (several locations).

    i recently had some really good corned beef (in a reuben sandwich) at the Fat Lady, in Jack London Square.

    oh, and I forgot to mention Chicken and Waffles, also found in Jack London Square.
     

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