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RTW shoe last comparison thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kolecho, Apr 11, 2008.

  1. Joenobody0

    Joenobody0 Well-Known Member

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    so we now choose the heel construction that best fits the styling objective we're looking to achieve. Some shoes just look better with 360 and others with 270

    Is there anyone that would argue the PA wouldn't look better on the 270 welt?
     
  2. Redwoood

    Redwoood Well-Known Member

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    Can any of the resident experts explain to me why the shank material influences the design wrt 270 vs 360 degree welting?

    Thanks.
     
  3. srivats

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  4. Claus

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    Can any of the resident experts explain to me why the shank material influences the design wrt 270 vs 360 degree welting?

    I think, the thread AE & 360-degree welting covers both sides.
     
  5. Redwoood

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    I think, the thread AE & 360-degree welting covers both sides.

    interesting, thanks, I figured it would be something like that.
    Now of course, thats what AE says.
    I wonder what our resident shoe makers have to say.
     
  6. stillerfan07

    stillerfan07 Well-Known Member

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    +100. This is what Styleforum should be. People actually learning and having thoughtful discussions and comparisons about style as opposed to blindly following groupthink and reputation to make purchases.
    It shouldn't just be, "Well, I think the shoes are made of better quality or the silk is better quality".
    What the heck does that even mean half the time? Who looks at a silk tie and feels it and knows whether the silk is better or worse than the other? (Except for maybe Charvet ties) if there wasn't a brand name attached to it?
    Likewise with shoe leather.
    I look at these photos and Sator's, and if there weren't the shoe trees there, I don't know if I would be able to tell the difference b/w the Chelsea and PAs. And the normal Joe looking at your shoes wouldn't be able to either.
    Yet people are willing to pay $600 more for a pair of English shoes.
    Some of the English shoes definitely have beautiful style and antiquing, but they don't seem to justify, at least to me, the cost of getting them shipped here, with a mark-up and VAT, to the US. If you were in the UK, you should definitely get the English shoes, because they are much more affordable there.
    But it doesn't seem worth it when you already have a top-notch shoe store in the US.

    Digging up this thread to add another side-by-side shot: EG Chelsea 202 last size 8.5/9D on the left vs. AE Park Ave #5 last size 9D on the right.

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    Observations:

    -The Chelsea is actually longer than the PA (strictly comparing the uppers), but EGs are known to have a welt and sole that are trimmed very close to the uppers, whereas AE are on the opposite end of the spectrum.
    -The widest point (ball of foot) is further forward on the Chelsea than the PA and it is also wider than the PA at its widest point.
    -While the #5 last is AE's longest, I consider the PA to fit very tts. Otoh, I would need an 8/8.5D on the 202, perhaps even an 8/8.5C.
     
  7. Miklas

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    I'm about to purchase a pair of CJ shoes from pediwear since there are no resellers where I live.
    This means that I can't try on the shoes before buying.
    I've tried a pair of CJ Arden UK size 8 fitting E with last 341 and these were a good fit but perhaps a little too narrow behind the toes. The seller told me that if I went up half a size the shoe would fit me in the front but would be too loose around the heel and therefore the size 8 would still be the best.

    Judging from this informatin how would you think the last 348 and 236 would fit me?


    Thanks in advance.

    /Miklas
     
  8. stillerfan07

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  9. srivats

    srivats Well-Known Member

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    bump for posterity
     
  10. Newcomer

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    That is an interesting photo. Clearly the welt-stitching and the top-stitching on the EG are miles away, as is the finishing, but to a layman I don't think they would notice any real difference.
     
  11. chogall

    chogall Well-Known Member

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    Sad to see so many great pictures gone.
     
  12. Slewfoot

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    Bump for a worthwhile and useful thread.
     
  13. kev777

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  14. bc78

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    Had this and thought people might find it useful.

    Lobb 7000, Vass U, C & J 348, and J Fitzpatrick LPB

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