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RM Williams Boots - Everything You Wanted to Know

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Sator, Sep 18, 2006.

  1. simonsydney

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    Hey it's been three years now, how are the calf stockmans hold up? Did they suffer from severe creasing like other stockmans seem to be prone too?
     
  2. Webbo

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    Does anyone have any experience or pictures of the Kingsvale in Chocolate kangaroo either new, or even better worn. Thanks
     
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    Anyone know if the NYC store still exists?
     
  4. mjolnir

    mjolnir Active Member

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    Is this thread still alive?
    I need some input from more knowledgeable members of the community regarding what I should do for an RM Williams MTO I plan to place in the near future.
    I purchased a pair of 8.5G (Standard width) Comfort Craftsman from Mr. Porter to try on as I felt this was more accurate than trying to obtain my size in Allen Edmonds Park Avenues and using one of the formulas.
    I used this image: http://imgur.com/a/KQAmW with my ruler measurements to pick the length I wanted to try.

    Rough information about my feet and shoe sizes:

    With Light/Medium wool socks on my longest foot.

    • ~280mm in Length
    • ~100 mm in Width
    10D on Brannock
    • A hair narrower than D. I measure closer to 3.92-ish inches as opposed to 4"
    • Right foot just slightly longer than 10 but not quite 10.5
    9.5C in Whites Semi-Dress
    • This is my best fitting shoe. Spot on length.
    9.5 in Jack Purcell
    10UK in MiE Doc Martens

    • I really need a 9.5 but they don't make half sizes. A bit too wide for my foot and maybe 1/2 cm too long. I have an insert in them to take up space. They aren't uncomfortable to wear but they aren't a great fit.
    RM Williams:

    http://imgur.com/a/YQ7Bh

    Please restrain yourselves when seeing my lovely legs. It's really hot here and I just took quick and dirty pictures.
    The red lines indicate where my foot is at in relation to the boot. It's a rough gauge give or take a few mm in each direction.

    Thoughts and Questions:

    I think these may good in length (a hair too short maybe) but too wide. Based on the RM Williams board in the album above, an 8.5 length with a ~100mm width would be a narrow.
    When I put my full weight on my foot my foot widens up and uses up some of the extra space but not quite all of it. I feel like I have a lot of space around the ball of the boot and extra leather was bunching up on the inside when I stood at rest. Thoughts?
    They are snug on my ankle. It could be tighter but definitely no looser. No real heel slip.
    I am planning on getting a Macquarie model instead of the Craftsman. My toes are hitting the top of the toebox but not the front (the toe is very flat). It's not uncomfortable but it is noticeable. How do I account for this in a Macqaurie? I think they are higher so it may be a non-issue.
    Will the Macquarie need to be a wider width or a longer length since the toe is narrower?
    I really don't want to order without doing a good amount of research. I've read a lot of the thread and sizing information is all over the place. This seems like the most solid way to determine my fit.
    So based on this wall of text, I would love some feedback.
     
  5. daizawaguy

    daizawaguy Well-Known Member

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    If it helps, I`m a UK 8.5E, Whites 9D and a 9.5F (non standard, order) in RMW. I`m pretty happy with all 3 sizes. What I have found is that the RM Williams G is pretty wide, and the size up but G->F drop in width suits me better. I`m a bit surprised, as many quote the RMW the same size as a UK shoe, but I`m that much different, my UK size is a shoe not a boot, and this could explain some of this. But I`m a pretty comfortable Whites 9D and RMW 9.5F, and have more than one boot in each. You really would want to try different boots if possible, and given you are a Whites C, I`m not sure how the RMW G fit would suit you.

    From your photos it would seem to be a good fit, and I`d say if you feel comfortable walking around, you will feel its the right fit. Given the differences in width though, make sure your whole foot is supported where you need it, and that you are not compensating in width or length.
     
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  6. daizawaguy

    daizawaguy Well-Known Member

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    I used to have a Macquarie, and I had the same size as my craftsman. The only thing is that I did find it a bit narrow, although not excessively so. If I had to buy them again, I would try the G standard width, although most quote the same size and width. As mentioned above, the F craftsman is a special order, and fits me perfectly.
     
  7. mjolnir

    mjolnir Active Member

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    Barry from bootsonline said that if I wanted to go down on width 9UK F might be the way to go. I'm leaning towards this right now because the G width just has a bit too much room and the 8.5UK feels like the toe could be just a hair longer. My toe doesn't hit the front but it does hit the top of the boot every time my foot bends.

    How much more length would I be getting going up to a size 9 do you think? The heel on the 8.5 is pretty good. Minimal slipping and snug. I don't want to try and go up a length and lose the good heel fit.
     
  8. daizawaguy

    daizawaguy Well-Known Member

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    Barry is the guy to go with. He knows his stuff inside out. I started with the standard widths from him, and somehow found that the F special order (no premium I believe) worked better for me. On this I can say that no matter how you imagine your foot fitting the various sizes, once you get the correct fit, it will be evident - go with his advice. What I found is that although, like you, I was worried about width and heel fit, my foot fell into place much more naturally in ways I didn't imagine, as I came close to the correct size. And I needed possibly more length to compensate for the drop in width. That is, even if the boot felt like I needed a bit more room in places I imagined, my foot took a completely different position as it adjusted to a more comfortable fit. The points you mention above are good starting points, but as you get your true size, your foot will fit everywhere much better - so don't worry about heel slip on a larger size.

    How much more length? I guess a cm or maybe less, but as I say, as your foot may fit and fall differently in a different last, I`d go with his advice. My Whites 9D/RMW 9.5F and your Whites 9.5C makes me think you could even go up a half size more in length.

    FYI

    If I stand on a ruler with my heels are at the widest point is at 0 cm, I get just under 27cm at the toe.

    If I trace my foot with a pen vertically I get 27.5cm.

    Standing on a ruler with pressure id say I fill in 10cm wide.

    Maybe try and make some comparisons from my foot and size?
     
  9. daizawaguy

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    Thinking about this again, and having gone through what you are going through, I remember trying on a much smaller length and thinking it was fine - the fact that its a elastic sided boot makes one feel that the foot is fitting well, whereas when one walks around (after hours of wear), the foot takes a different place in the boot. Thats why perhaps relative measurements might be a good starting point. I`m curious what your length and width of your foot is in cm?
     
  10. mjolnir

    mjolnir Active Member

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    Hmm on page 9 or 10 of this thread, a guy went from a 10.5H to an 11.5G. This seems to be essentially what you did. Up a size down a width. He also said that the 11.5G was just a hair long for him and than 11G might be perfect.

    My gut tells me to go with a 9F. I think I need a little more toe room to be comfortable and I think that going up in size and down in width will give me a width similar to 8.5G but snugger.

    For the Macquarie, in general, in the same size as a craftsman is the toe longer? Or are they the same length of boot and the Macquarie toe simply narrows more aggressively?

    If they are the same length boot but the Macquarie comes to a more aggressive taper, then I'm fairly sure 8.5 wouldn't cut it.
     
  11. mjolnir

    mjolnir Active Member

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    in CM standing on a ruler my length is roughly 27.7 to 28 cm depending on how accurate my heel is to the start mark. My width is also 10 CM.
     
  12. daizawaguy

    daizawaguy Well-Known Member

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    I`d hate to give you the wrong advice, but given your measurements, I`d say you would be more comfortable in a 9.5. I did find that the RMW length change was not as much as I expected, combined with a drop in width. I`m a 27cm and fit in a 9.5 with very little room in front (I mean exactly what I need for a good fit), so given your foot is longer than mine and the same width, a smaller size is questionable.

    The Macquaries are the same length and width if I recall, and the narrower toe makes that feel much snugger. Your foot adapts, but you feel it.

    Another way around is to try a standard 9H and 9.5H, and imagine the drop in width, but if you are not near a store, or cant get a refund on a mail order, might not be feasible.

    Perhaps send Barry your measurements, and have him look at his records, or ask the factory?
     
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  13. daizawaguy

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    Thinking about this again, my example of trying on the H sizes and then compensating for width might not be good advice - given what I said before of where your foots falls in the boot. Down a width and up a full size though does seem consistent with my experience - and given you are 9.5C Whites versus my 9D would make me feel you should not err on the side of caution length wise. Difficult decision I know, but bigger better than tighter, as you can always adjust by socks.
     
  14. mjolnir

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    Hmm, I did send him my Brannock size and off of that he said that he would have advised me to size to a 9G. He said the 8.5G looked like a good fit and if I wanted to lose a bit of width I could try a 9F. However, I agree when you say the elastic sides do make it seem like it fits well even when it may not. After walking around a bit I could feel where my toes kept touching the top of the boot. I feel like I definitely need to go up in length. The question is how much and how to compensate in the width, haha.

    Unfortunately, I am in the US. So I can't simply try a bunch of sizes and return them. I have to get it as close to correct as possible on my first go round. I ordered the one pair to try on from Mr. Porter and they only stock G widths and I couldn't even get a 9 to try because it's sold out.

    I feel like I'm going to end up being a 9 or 9.5F. I need just a hair more to room especially for the Macquarie since it tapers more strongly.
     
  15. daizawaguy

    daizawaguy Well-Known Member

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    Here is the submission I think you may have seen (going back to 2006). Concur that going down a width needs quite a larger size in length from experience. Good luck and have fun with the order and boots - they will last forever!
     
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  16. albertotoole

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    Looking to sell a brand new unworn pair of brown suede comfort craftsman in 10G.

    Bought from Aussie bush hats but too big for me. Only tried on on carpet within the house.

    Post anywhere within UK


    Looking for £260
     
  17. grimslade

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    Hey, that was me. On the internet, even shoe sizes are forever.
    I'll have to check what I'm wearing now. My view of what fits in RMWs has evolved a bit in 9 years.
     
  18. mjolnir

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    Yeah any input would be awesome. Trying to get an understanding of fit without being able to try on a lot of sizes is no fun. I went through the same process with my Whites and they're my best fitting boot so I'm hoping I am just as fortunate here!
     
  19. LeatherBoot

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    I am in Austalia right now and just bought my first pair of RMW and so far I really love them. They cost about $300 USD here and I am wondering if I should pick up a second pair because it's not clear to me if they are that easy to come by in the USA. Mr. Porter sells them for almost $500 which is too much. I don't mind paying an extra $50-$75 for the convenience of having them delivered to my house.

    I know my size so I have no problem buying them online but I don't want to pay any extra $200.
     
  20. mjolnir

    mjolnir Active Member

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    Extremely hard to come by in the US. Mr. Porter is the only place I've seen them for sale.

    Mind me asking how you sized and what your brannock and common shoe sizes are?
     

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