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RM Williams Boots - Everything You Wanted to Know

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Sator, Sep 18, 2006.

  1. Brock Zeigler

    Brock Zeigler Active Member

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    Actor Tony Hamilton on the right in R.M. Williams Craftsman Boots from the 1988-90 TV series Mission Impossible.[​IMG]
     
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  2. wurger

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    Craftsmans are the boots to get.
     
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    OMG. Methinks, we are about to discover how highly polished a pair of RMW can become!

    I wonder what the NSN of those boots will be ?

    Individual fitting sounds very un-army to me.
     
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    Picked up these Cognac Veal Calf Stockmans on the weekend. Whilst I love the colour and the style I'm a bit concerned about the level of creasing after only a couple of hours wear!

    I know these stockmans tend to crease a bit more but after only a couple of hours on my feet and in calf leather this seems a bit excessive. Also the creasing appears to be much more severe on the right boot. What do you guys think?

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  7. AAJJLLPP

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    Creasing like that is normal. If you don't want creasing get plastic shoes. Also use the search function, it is getting ridiculous how many are people asking whether the creases they have are normal.
     
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    No need to get aggressive. I am well aware of how to search the thread, but i fail to see how someone asking about creases in their shoes bears any relevance to mine. Completely different circumstances in each case.

    As to your advice, I have plenty of pairs of leather shoes including other rm williams which have no where near this level of creasing after months of wear. These have only been worn for 2 hours. Plus the creasing is only on one shoe, not both, which definitely doesn't seem normal.

    But I appreciate your input.
     
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    I think you will find that there are a lot of similarities in all cases.

    Looks normal to me. Nice gentle creases, nothing tearing or cutting. Why one creases more than the other, well there are a number of factors there - your gait, they are potentially made from different hides, etc. If they trouble you take them back to the store and exchange for a new pair.
     
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    As a followup I took them to my favourite cobbler and a patch of leather cemented in place to cover the holes and the skived down at the edges seemed to be the best solution short of tearing the boot apart. It should give them a few more miles of life, which makes me happy.
     
  11. AAJJLLPP

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    Other people's creasing is relevant because this question has been asked time and time again, always with the same answer, that it is normal. The circumstances are quite similar in each case when it comes down to it. If you used the search function you would've seen that many people have different creasing in each of there boots and that is normal. It is quite simple, cow hides are a natural product so there are inconsistencies in the hide. If a shoe/boot is made with any attention to what the final product cost is going to be, they are going to maximize the usage of the hide. This include using somewhat lower grade parts of the hide, where the grain is a bit looser from the fleshy part below, causing heavier creasing.

    TL/DR: Having heavier creases on one of your boots is common, and is usually a product of the manufacturer using different parts of the hide.
     
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  12. Hayward

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    So we should demand that RM Williams design a boot with a hardshell underneath the leather, perhaps an extension of the plastic toe cap, so that the boots will not crease as we wear them. They must be hard, like ski boots.


    No, not really.
     
  13. milw50717

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    Varnish. Lots of varnish. Just hope it doesn't flake or peel when you stupidly forget to walk on your hands.
     
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    What colour and style are these?
     
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    Wentworth. They used to be brown. I stripped them and re-dyed them in order to achieve a antique burgundy/vintage rioja ish colour.
     
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    Wonderful!

    I've often toyed with the idea of playing around with stripping a pair of RM's and dyeing them into some more interesting colour. I was always tentative because I was unsure as to whether or not it was possible. Access to lots of seconds in chestnut and black always had me thinking of the possibilities.


    May I ask you some questions concerning your process?

    -You mention these being brown Wentworths - were they a dark brown? Darker at least than this reddish colour you now have? If so I guess that they were chestnut (good to know that "boring old chestnut" can be altered if so)

    -Were they the standard RMW yearling leather? Or perhaps instead the finer calf or even kangaroo?

    -Did you happen to follow a guide found here on Styleforum? Or was it trial and error? (I seem to recall bookmarking some processes I've found on here)

    -What brand of dye/stripper did you use?

    -Any issues to report? Eg., cracks, dry patches, fading, or any other adverse effects that you can attribute to the re-dye job?




    They look truly superb in that picture.
     
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    Thank you for your kind words!

    1. The pair were dark brown. Not really sure what type of leather they are made of. IRC they are made of a greasy form of yearling, not greasy kip though. The box is nowhere to be found.
    2. Just trial and error. I stripped them first then washed them with leather shampoo. I'm sure there is a guide in the shoe care thread.
    3. I used chemically purified gasoline made by a Swedish company called Gripen. I believe Saphir has a equivalent product.
    4. No issues so far.
     

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