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Revenge of the Sith

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by tsloop, May 20, 2005.

  1. Brian278

    Brian278 Well-Known Member

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    The real disappointment of Episode III is that the whole saga hinges on Anakin's moment of temptation. And Lucas totally blows it. It is not believable and conveys no real sense of tragic undoing. As such, it is the 13th note being struck by the clock. It casts everything else about the stories into doubt. If Lucas has so little pathos in him that he can not construct a plausible tale of hubris, temptation and betrayal out of the material he has, the whole thing falls apart and looks worse in retrospect than it did when you could still hope that somehow this story at the heart of everything would vindicate the series. It didn't help that Hayden was a callow, obnoxious kid. But Lucas's writing is the real failure.

    Totally agree. As much as I love the Star Wars universe and the way it connects me to my childhood, this was the entire point of the Episodes I-III and Lucas blows it. While I think Hayden Christensen isn't an awful actor and has done some decent work, he's woefully miscast as the future Darth Vader. Any number of current big name young actors would've nailed this. Leo DiCaprio, Jake Gyllenhaal, Tobey McGuire, Jonathan Rhys-Meyers, Christian Bale or Eric Bana would've all done a better job.
     
  2. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff Well-Known Member

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    i love this movie. i have all 6 movies on dvd.

    episode III still brings tears to my eyes each time i watch it.
     
  3. Thracozaag

    Thracozaag Well-Known Member

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    The real disappointment of Episode III is that the whole saga hinges on Anakin's moment of temptation. And Lucas totally blows it. .

    This climactic moment has all the pathos of a mild stomach-ache.

    koji
     
  4. Thracozaag

    Thracozaag Well-Known Member

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    Most Star Wars spoofs are pretty lame, but I thought this one was extremely clever:


    koji
     
  5. alan

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    I was just watching it. Its pretty awful.

    Is it me or when obi wan and vader are fighting, they say "you took padame away from me" "no you did it to yourself", like 3 times?

    The first two were pretty boring but i hadnt quite noticed the bad acting by the hayden guy until the third one. He sucks.

    And +2 on grimslades point. The whole point is to show Vaders transition and its like Lukas didnt even bother.

    The only cool scene was/shouldve been when vader takes his first breath but even that couldve been shot way better.
     
  6. GQgeek

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    I was just watching it. Its pretty awful.

    Is it me or when obi wan and vader are fighting, they say "you took padame away from me" "no you did it to yourself", like 3 times?

    The first two were pretty boring but i hadnt quite noticed the bad acting by the hayden guy until the third one. He sucks.

    And +2 on grimslades point. The whole point is to show Vaders transition and its like Lukas didnt even bother.

    The only cool scene was/shouldve been when vader takes his first breath but even that couldve been shot way better.


    It annoyed me that they always skippsed the scenes where anakin went psycho and killed everyone. They should haev showed that stuff. I wanted to see him killing the jedi children and the sand people or whatever they were called. The dialogue for the film was so horrible. I don't know what lucas was thinking.
     
  7. Thracozaag

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    The only cool scene was/shouldve been when vader takes his first breath but even that couldve been shot way better.


    You're forgetting the crowning moment of glory: "NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!"

    koji
     
  8. Augusto86

    Augusto86 Well-Known Member

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    I found out last week that my girlfriend's oft-professed loathing of Star Wars stems from the fact that she had only seen Episodes 1, 2 and half of 3!

    I'm slowly walking her through the classic 4, 5 and 6, original pre-edit VHS editions that I watched when I was 9.
     
  9. Tokyo Slim

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    How long are we going to have to talk about this supid frickin movie? It's over. It was over two years ago. Let it go. It sucks. Forget it.
     
  10. sho'nuff

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    there should be an Episode III 1/2..

    to fill in for the time between the jedi exile and New Hope.
    to show more of how darth vader was introduced around the empire and rose in rank and experience. perhaps even show some of his young character still in him.
    maybe show a scene or two of obi wan and yoda being acclimated to their new surroundings. and the childhood of luke and leia.

    for us star wars nerds here. ( or just me)
     
  11. Thracozaag

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    There was a novel published (I believe called Rise of Darth Vader or something like that) dealing with this time; apparently the new TV series will also attempt to fill in that time gap.

    koji
     
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    Anyone think there will be a Part VII? Sequels to the originals? I agree with most everything in this thread, Parts 1-3 were mostly garbage, hayden sucks, etc...ect...
     
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    there should be an Episode III 1/2..

    to fill in for the time between the jedi exile and New Hope.
    to show more of how darth vader was introduced around the empire and rose in rank and experience. perhaps even show some of his young character still in him.
    maybe show a scene or two of obi wan and yoda being acclimated to their new surroundings. and the childhood of luke and leia.

    for us star wars nerds here. ( or just me)


    Eddie Izzard already did it in his stand-up routine. Vader goes to the canteen in the Death Star. The guy working behind the counter doesn't recognize him...hilarity ensues. There's a lego version of it on YouTube if you search.


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  14. Gradstudent78

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    How long are we going to have to talk about this supid frickin movie? It's over. It was over two years ago. Let it go. It sucks. Forget it.

    I think this pretty much sums it up:
     
  15. javyn

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    Jake woulda been perfect IMO.
     
  16. sho'nuff

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    There was a novel published (I believe called Rise of Darth Vader or something like that) dealing with this time; apparently the new TV series will also attempt to fill in that time gap.

    koji


    koji is this novel and the tv series considered canon? i would be interested in these if they are .
     
  17. 4Mica

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    How long are we going to have to talk about this supid frickin movie? It's over. It was over two years ago. Let it go. It sucks. Forget it.

    Let's see if I can kill this thread (I am the StyleForum's version of a cooler). A long time ago (in the mid 90s) a friend of mine (who's family came here from Cuba in the mid 80s) brought over his game system so we could play some video games (I never really got into video games so I didn't have my own system). While we are playing a Star Wars game and talking he asks me "How do you know all the characters in this game?" I say, "From the movies" He says, "What movies?" Needless to say I sent him home with the trilogy on VHS .
     
  18. Thracozaag

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    koji is this novel and the tv series considered canon? i would be interested in these if they are .

    The novels (apparently) have to all be approved by Lucas before publication, and the TV series will be done by Lucas himself (for better or worse, mostly the latter). As critical as I am regarding the prequels, some of the novels (Shadows of the Empire and the Thrawn Triology, in particular) are very well done, and the plot of KOTOR kicks the prequels' ass.

    koji
     
  19. Rambo

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    Eddie Izzard already did it in his stand-up routine. Vader goes to the canteen in the Death Star. The guy working behind the counter doesn't recognize him...hilarity ensues. There's a lego version of it on YouTube if you search. b
    One of my favorites routines. Darth Vader: I will have the penne all'arrabiata. Canteen Worker: You'll need a tray. Darth Vader: Do you know who I am? Canteen Worker: Do you know who I am? Darth Vader: This is not a game of who the fuck are you. For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought. Canteen Worker: Well, you'll still need a tray. Darth Vader: No, I will not need a tray. I do not need a tray to kill you. I can kill you without a tray, with the power of the Force, which is strong within me. Even though I could kill you with a tray if I so wished. For I would hack at your neck with the thin bit until the blood flowed across the canteen floor. Canteen Worker: No, the food is hot. You'll need a tray to put the food on. Darth Vader: Oh, I see the food is hot. I'm sorry. I did not realise. Ha ha ha ha … oh … tray for the … yes. I thought you were challenging me for the fight to the death. Canteen Worker: A fight to the death? This a canteen, I work here. Darth Vader: Yes, but I am Vader. I am Lord Vader? Everyone challenges me to a fight to the death. Lord Vader? Darth Vader, I'm Darth Vader. Sir Lord Vader? Sir Lord Darth Vader? Lord Darth Sir Lord, Lord Vader of Cheem? Sir Lord Baron Von Vader Ham? The Death Star. I run the Death Star. Canteen Worker: What's the Death Star? Darth Vader: This is the Death Star! You're in the Death Star! I run this star! Canteen Worker: This is a star? Darth Vader: This is a fucking star! I run it! I'm your boss. Canteen Worker: You're Mr. Stevens? Darth Vader: No, I'm … who is Mr. Stevens? Canteen Worker: He's Head of Catering. Darth Vader: I'm not Head of Catering! I am Vader, I can kill catering with a thought. Canteen Worker: Wha'? Darth Vader: I can kill you all! I can kill me with a thought! Just … fine, I'll get a tray, fuck it. This one's wet, and this one's wet and this one's wet. This one is wet. This one is wet. This one is wet. This one is wet. This one is wet. This one is wet. This one is wet. This one is wet. Did you dry these in a rainforest? Why, with the power of the Death Star do we not have a tray that is fucking dry? I do not … no, no, no! I was here first! Other guy: You have to form a queue if you want food. Can I have, uh … ooo, penne all'arrabiata. That'd be very nice. Darth Vader: No, no, no! Do you know who I am? Other guy: That's Jeff Vader that is! Darth Vader: I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader. Other guy: What? Jeff Vader runs the Death Star? Darth Vader: No, Jeff … no, I run the Death Star. Other guy: You Jeff Vader? Darth Vader: No, I'm Darth Vader. Other guy: Are you his brother? Could you get his autograph? Darth Vader: I can't get his … no, I'm Jeff … all right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader! Other guy: Could I have your autograph? Darth Vader: No, fuck off or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne all'arrabiata or you shall die! And you and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be! Canteen Worker: Do you want peas with that? Darth Vader: Peas! You don't have peas! You can't put in right in … you can't put …it doesn't work with penne! Unless you push 'em up the penne tubes and then it'd be weird! Oh, all right! Put some peas in.
     

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