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Resume Formats

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by deadly7, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. deadly7

    deadly7 Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at redoing my resume based on some discussions I've had. My current format makes heavy use of MS Word user-defined margins and bullets. What format do you guys all use?

    Also, here are categories I have, all with recent (<5 years) relevance:
    Education, work experiences, volunteering, academic honors, organization leadership/extracurricular activities.

    If it would help I can post a sample of how my resume is currently formatted.
     
  2. BC2012

    BC2012 Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at redoing my resume based on some discussions I've had. My current format makes heavy use of MS Word user-defined margins and bullets. What format do you guys all use?

    Also, here are categories I have, all with recent (<5 years) relevance:
    Education, work experiences, volunteering, academic honors, organization leadership/extracurricular activities.

    If it would help I can post a sample of how my resume is currently formatted.


    Sure, post away. What field are you in?

    Some general format tips:

    Use a font that is easy to read, commonly accepted, but is not Times New Roman or Arial (too common). Sans Serif fonts are a good choice. Trebuchet, Verdana, or Lucida Sans works well. Calibri is probably okay, but since it's the new Office font I'd probably steer clear.

    Stick to a size 11 or 12 font.

    Make sure your entire resume is in the same font and is the same size. I've heard over and over that most people hate seeing the size 20 name and a size 12 resume body (I agree, too. I'd hate seeing that).

    Bullets are fine.

    I'm iffy on an objectives statement on a resume. A lot of people swear by them.

    Same goes for activities/fun things I like to do. I don't like it, a lot of people love it (golf, sexual predator catching, etc.)
     
  3. alliswell

    alliswell Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at redoing my resume based on some discussions I've had. My current format makes heavy use of MS Word user-defined margins and bullets. What format do you guys all use?

    Also, here are categories I have, all with recent (<5 years) relevance:
    Education, work experiences, volunteering, academic honors, organization leadership/extracurricular activities.

    If it would help I can post a sample of how my resume is currently formatted.


    Reorder - work experience, education with honors, leadership. Forget volunteering unless you've only had one job.

    Sure, post away. What field are you in?

    Some general format tips:

    Use a font that is easy to read, commonly accepted, but is not Times New Roman or Arial (too common). Sans Serif fonts are a good choice. Trebuchet, Verdana, or Lucida Sans works well. Calibri is probably okay, but since it's the new Office font I'd probably steer clear.

    Stick to a size 11 or 12 font.

    Make sure your entire resume is in the same font and is the same size. I've heard over and over that most people hate seeing the size 20 name and a size 12 resume body (I agree, too. I'd hate seeing that).

    Bullets are fine.

    I'm iffy on an objectives statement on a resume. A lot of people swear by them.

    Same goes for activities/fun things I like to do. I don't like it, a lot of people love it (golf, sexual predator catching, etc.)


    Stick with Arial. Any attempt to look different by varying font will make you look insecure. Omit the objective statement. Omit your hobbies too.
     
  4. imageWIS

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    I'm iffy on an objectives statement on a resume. A lot of people swear by them.

    I can see why. I sometimes have it, sometimes I don't, depends on the job, really.
     
  5. BC2012

    BC2012 Well-Known Member

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    Reorder - work experience, education with honors, leadership. Forget volunteering unless you've only had one job.



    Stick with Arial. Any attempt to look different by varying font will make you look insecure. Omit the objective statement. Omit your hobbies too.


    I disagree, obviously. I've heard from many recruiters that after reading a hundred Arial/TNR font resumes that seeing a different one catches their eye. I've never once heard someone think it was because the person was insecure.
     
  6. imageWIS

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    I disagree, obviously. I've heard from many recruiters that after reading a hundred Arial/TNR font resumes that seeing a different one catches their eye. I've never once heard someone think it was because the person was insecure.

    Is Centaur too odd for a resume? (I haven't tired it)

    http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/agfa/centaur/
     
  7. alliswell

    alliswell Well-Known Member

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    I review resumes, interview and hire for my firm. The first question I ask is 'Why would you think that this is an appropriate font for a professional document'. Don't fail that question. If you're not aiming for a white-collar job with a professional firm, feel free to disregard.
     
  8. BC2012

    BC2012 Well-Known Member

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    I review resumes, interview and hire for my firm. The first question I ask is 'Why would you think that this is an appropriate font for a professional document'. Don't fail that question. If you're not aiming for a white-collar job with a professional firm, feel free to disregard.

    I do all of mine in Playbill and print it on papyrus. You'd love it.
     
  9. deadly7

    deadly7 Well-Known Member

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    Sure, post away. What field are you in?
    Nothing field specific -- I was just looking for general formatting tips.

    Hadn't considered the above (with exception of size) -- will have to revisit this.

    I don't do objective statements. Typically I've either done a cover letter or done nothing (depending on the position).

    I don't include hobbies -- I include professional or social organizations in which I was [or am still] a part and if I had leadership roles on them.

    Reorder - work experience, education with honors, leadership. Forget volunteering unless you've only had one job.
    What about research done during college, if it's irrelevant to my field?


    Oh no conflicting viewpoints! What about Times New Roman? I personally don't like Arial but I do like TNR.

    I can see why. I sometimes have it, sometimes I don't, depends on the job, really.
    Pretty much. I just like cover letters more than obj statements.

    I disagree, obviously. I've heard from many recruiters that after reading a hundred Arial/TNR font resumes that seeing a different one catches their eye. I've never once heard someone think it was because the person was insecure.
    I always got compliments on my formatting from employers (haven't dealt with many recruiters) so I don't think it's necessarily font face that is the key factor.
     
  10. HelloIDistance

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    I review resumes, interview and hire for my firm. The first question I ask is 'Why would you think that this is an appropriate font for a professional document'. Don't fail that question. If you're not aiming for a white-collar job with a professional firm, feel free to disregard.

    I can see the font type mattering, but I don't understand omitting volunteer experience. Granted it related somehow to your position. IE volunteer tax assistance for an accounting job.
     
  11. deadly7

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    I wouldn't put your High School or any info related to that. What is the point if you graduated college?

    I would also take out the &quot;provide references upon request&quot;. I've never understood that on resumes. Of course you would provide references upon request.
     
  13. Rugger

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    My tip is to remember that the resume should just get you in the door, your interview is what they will hire you on. Remember that when writing your resume, it can be pretty thin, don't need an objective or summary, it should(in my mind) show that you are well qualified and that's really it. You should have a second 'mental resume' in your head for the interview....&quot;i did xxx with yyy, I led xxx to yyyy, my weiner is xxx big. etc etc.

    It might just be me but I don't like the interviewers having an idea of ME before the interview, I just want them to know my qualifications. Makes for a better WOW moment, at least in my mind.
     
  14. suited

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    Resumes are over-thought and always over-complicated. When it's all said and done, assuming you follow a sensible format and you don't hand in something with grammatical errors or grease stains, it's going to come down to what's actually written on the resume in terms of experiencing and education.
     
  15. Milpool

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    Strangely, despite reviewing resumes and such, I still think I'm bad at writing them.

    Some general points from my experience reviewing:

    1) I don't give a shit about font. I'm not some pop-psychologist that thinks I can read into your personality based on your font. As long as you didn't do something really insane like use 24 point font the whole way or italics the whole way, etc I don't give a damn.

    2) Skip the objective statement. Your cover letter is your objective statement. Usually the objectives people list on their resumes are lame and do nothing for me; e.g. "I want to advance my career". Ok, great, I want you to advance your career too. . . but that tells me nothing about why you are the best candidate.

    3) Put the most relevant section first. I browse resumes quickly until I find a few that look good. Make sure I spot the good stuff immediately after your name. If you graduated university 10 years ago in something unrelated, put it at the bottom, I don't care about that. Make it easy for me to notice you are the right person for the job.

    4) The other information debate. . . if it is relevant include it. Professional societies, sitting on the board for the local art museum, publications, etc are all good things to include. That your hobby is posting on a men's clothing forum is not a good thing to include (unless you are trying to get a men's clothing forum job I guess).
     
  16. FIHTies

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    I took otu position specifics (that's another topic for another day) to focus on how it looks. Fire away.


    Oh yeah...Spelling matters. :). Seriously though, read it, read it again and then give it to someone to read for you because you expect certain words to be there and if spelled worng you wont notice them.

    Also dont use your chat room email address. Thats good for the chat room. Nowhere else. (Unless of course you are alpha as F%$k)

    Use your real name on the email address. Sounds simple but I cannot tell you how many times this is missed.
     
  17. akatsuki

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    If you just graduated, put school first, otherwise experience.

    I'd put volunteer activities on there, but at the bottom and just in a single line list under an Additional Info category or something similar. Unless you are actually high up in the organization or accomplished a lot, then put it as experience.

    Same with hobbies - a one line list is helpful. Not for getting in the door, but once you are sitting in the interview. Again, if you have achieved some reknown - such as being a US hammer throwing champion, list it.

    Realistically it does depend on job how your resume is formatted - if you are applying for some sort of job where you are making things (e.g. graphic designer, interior decorator, blacksmith), you should also include a portfolio page. Also who you worked for is pretty important. If you are applying to be a corporate attorney or private equity guy - dealsheets are important and all they care about is experience and your role at each position.
     
  18. deadly7

    deadly7 Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't put your High School or any info related to that. What is the point if you graduated college?

    I would also take out the "provide references upon request". I've never understood that on resumes. Of course you would provide references upon request.

    Noted.

    My tip is to remember that the resume should just get you in the door, your interview is what they will hire you on. Remember that when writing your resume, it can be pretty thin, don't need an objective or summary, it should(in my mind) show that you are well qualified and that's really it. You should have a second 'mental resume' in your head for the interview...."i did xxx with yyy, I led xxx to yyyy, my weiner is xxx big. etc etc.

    It might just be me but I don't like the interviewers having an idea of ME before the interview, I just want them to know my qualifications. Makes for a better WOW moment, at least in my mind.

    I do keep more details, but I like showing that I've been in many different positions -- even if some are different from my field. My interviews have typically involved questions on some of them.

    Resumes are over-thought and always over-complicated. When it's all said and done, assuming you follow a sensible format and you don't hand in something with grammatical errors or grease stains, it's going to come down to what's actually written on the resume in terms of experiencing and education.
    Noted.

    Strangely, despite reviewing resumes and such, I still think I'm bad at writing them.

    Some general points from my experience reviewing:

    1) I don't give a shit about font. I'm not some pop-psychologist that thinks I can read into your personality based on your font. As long as you didn't do something really insane like use 24 point font the whole way or italics the whole way, etc I don't give a damn.

    2) Skip the objective statement. Your cover letter is your objective statement. Usually the objectives people list on their resumes are lame and do nothing for me; e.g. "I want to advance my career". Ok, great, I want you to advance your career too. . . but that tells me nothing about why you are the best candidate.

    3) Put the most relevant section first. I browse resumes quickly until I find a few that look good. Make sure I spot the good stuff immediately after your name. If you graduated university 10 years ago in something unrelated, put it at the bottom, I don't care about that. Make it easy for me to notice you are the right person for the job.

    4) The other information debate. . . if it is relevant include it. Professional societies, sitting on the board for the local art museum, publications, etc are all good things to include. That your hobby is posting on a men's clothing forum is not a good thing to include (unless you are trying to get a men's clothing forum job I guess).

    1. Yeah, I wouldn't do something outlandish. I'm sure some hiring managers care about Arial vs. TNR but it's one of the least of my concerns.
    2. Agreed.
    3. Alright, noted.
    4. I only include things where I have held leadership positions, so SF won't be on the list until I get mod status (joking).

    Oh yeah...Spelling matters. :). Seriously though, read it, read it again and then give it to someone to read for you because you expect certain words to be there and if spelled worng you wont notice them.

    Also dont use your chat room email address. Thats good for the chat room. Nowhere else. (Unless of course you are alpha as F%$k)

    Use your real name on the email address. Sounds simple but I cannot tell you how many times this is missed.

    Yep, I do all this already. I tend to not proof my SF posts though.

    If you just graduated, put school first, otherwise experience.

    I'd put volunteer activities on there, but at the bottom and just in a single line list under an Additional Info category or something similar. Unless you are actually high up in the organization or accomplished a lot, then put it as experience.

    Same with hobbies - a one line list is helpful. Not for getting in the door, but once you are sitting in the interview. Again, if you have achieved some reknown - such as being a US hammer throwing champion, list it.

    Realistically it does depend on job how your resume is formatted - if you are applying for some sort of job where you are making things (e.g. graphic designer, interior decorator, blacksmith), you should also include a portfolio page. Also who you worked for is pretty important. If you are applying to be a corporate attorney or private equity guy - dealsheets are important and all they care about is experience and your role at each position.

    What would you consider as "[accomplishing] a lot"?

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    What do you guys think of how my resume looks? I had a couple people tell me that the first thing they saw is the dates, not the position or description. If you saw a resume formatted like the PDF I linked to, what would be your initial reaction?
     
  19. Reggs

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    I spray John Varvatos: Vintage on the back of my resumes and I have a pretty good call back rate.
     
  20. jgold47

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    The only advice I can give, is keep it simple, but tell a story with your bullets.

    1. Manager of Service
    a. managed team of 500 people
    1a. named manager of the year 4 years in a row
    b. Worked with a budget of 100 billion dollars
    1b. Consistently rated high marks by the budget review committee.


    Something along those lines. Dont just list your job description, list your accomplishments.
     

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