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regimental tie- disbanded regiment

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by globetrotter, Apr 15, 2005.

  1. LondonCalling

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    Dah328,
    You're correct in the sense that after the battle, in which Marine Officers and NCO's represented 90% of the casualties, the blood stripe was reintroduced as part of the uniform (and called so). But trousers on earlier versions of Marine uniforms had scarlet piping.
    The lyrics to a running cadence were a way to make a point that military symbols represent more than (in this case) clothing. That said, the scarlet on the tie, along with the gold represent the colors of the Marine Corps; the field of green "enjoys semi-official standing."
     
  2. JLibourel

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    "Musketball"????... No gentleman would duel with a musket.
     
  3. globetrotter

    globetrotter Well-Known Member

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    (esquire. @ April 15 2005,11:06)
    Honestly, I think it's sort of a marketing gimmick by Ben Silver in some respects that they include the info on what college or regiment the tie is from-- since after all Brooks Brothers etc sell similar designs with no description except what colors they are.
    The key difference is that most American regimental ties including Brooks Brothers will have the lines slanted in one direction, opposite of the british reg. ties so as not to confuse the two.
    Ok. Â Well I guess you have me curious about this now-- the Ben Silver ties are "authentic regimental" ties and presumably B.S. is doing a decent business selling these ties in the U.S.-- but not to former members of these regiments or graduates of the universities and clubs in their magazine?? Am I off base on this?
    true, most people do not mind wearing authentic regimental or club ties.
     
  4. Manton

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    I believe that the Robert Talbott company got its start by making "authentic regimentals" back in the 60s, the only difference being that the stripes went the other way.  They sold them at their little store in Carmel, California and at California "Trad" shops like Cable Car Clothiers, Carroll & Co., George J. Goode, and Patrick James.  As the company grew, they came to rely less on these old patterns and more on flashier stuff.  Then Talbott, Sr. died and his widow and one of his sons took the business in a different direction.  I always assumed that Ben Silver stepped in to meet the demand, as the timing seemed right.  Only, of course, Ben Silver's stripes go in the correct direction, and they are always made in the right width.
     
  5. Nonk

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    I would never wear it, no matter how much I liked the colour/design etc, it is not my Regiment. Why anyone would want to in those circumstances is beyond me.
     
  6. alchimiste

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    In this case we know it corresponds to an actual regiment. What if you just see a striped tie you happen to like? Do you research first whether it belongs to something already or assume it may and stay clear?
     
  7. Manton

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    The Italians make a ton of striped ties that are not tied to any regiment or school. It is usually quite easy to find a color palate similar to whatever regimental tie you may be lusting after, though the stripe pattern is not likely to be identical. The nice thing about Italian stripes is that the silk tends to have some surface interest, as opposed to plain, boring, run-of-the-mill repp silk. (Not that there's anything wrong with it.)
     
  8. Nonk

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    The only striped ties I wear are of the regiments etc I am entitled to wear, so it is not an issue for me although I appreciate your point. Wearing a regimental tie without entitlement could be excused if through ignorance, but in this case we have already established the connection, so why do it?
     
  9. NoVaguy

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    well, i wouldn't wear a regimental in england (if ever - the only one i have is a red and blue tie), but then, i am not in england.
     
  10. globetrotter

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    In this case we know it corresponds to an actual regiment. What if you just see a striped tie you happen to like? Do you research first whether it belongs to something already or assume it may and stay clear?
    The only striped ties I wear are of the regiments etc I am entitled to wear, so it is not an issue for me although I appreciate your point. Wearing a regimental tie without entitlement could be excused if through ignorance, but in this case we have already established the connection, so why do it?
    actually, Nonk, I was most interested in your opinion - I was wondering if there was any type of "exception" for regiments that had been disbanded, or some such rule. But intuitivly I figured there wasn't
     
  11. Nonk

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    Globetrotter, not that I am aware of, but I am not an expert. Frequently "disbanded" regiments have their colours and traditions carried on by another regiment, as the British and Commonwealth Armies tend to amalgamate, not disband. This means that a very similar tie may be currently in existence, and that this one could still be remembered by those who continue this tradition.

    Interestingly I was in Clarke & Dawe in Belfast yesterday and noted that of their new tie selection many were of the regimental type, including some I think I recognise. I am glad this is a high end shop, with respectable clients, as the thought of some guttersnipe from Belfast swanning around in a Hussars tie is frightening me, and could create some social confusion.
     
  12. Ich_Dien

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    [​IMG]

    I wonder how many fanboys will have served in the Fleet Air Arm?
     
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    Considering the large amount of different regimental stripe designs , I wonder if it is ever safe to wear one. I am not too much interested in the (British) military traditions and certainly don't know all the designs out there (OK I basically don't know any of them). So should I stay clear from any strip design (even the standard BB designs)?
     
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    6 Year bump? You deserve a regimental tie just for the valiant effort.
     
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    One tries.
     

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