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Random fashion thoughts

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by thekunk07, Aug 1, 2009.

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  1. Meis

    Meis Well-Known Member

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    That's pretty much how it was before they redid the site - IIRC, you could only bump by dropping price 5% or more, or by adding a new item.

    Also, 1-2 months on B&S is really not that long. I feel like for a decent chunk of the stuff that doesn't sell quickly it's not that it's necessarily priced poorly or undesireable, it's because of a lack of visibility. I check B&S pretty often and yet I'll still find stuff I'm interested in that I don't recall seeing before even though its been listed long enough that it's probably been bumped at least 2-3 times.
     
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  2. noob in 89

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    Not really, though. Under the old system, you got the most bumps by being popular, by wearing the most outlandishly plaid! sport coats over in MC. Who could forget their items buried under endless variations of Nice stuff, S___!
     
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  3. jet

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    think i'll bump all my threads tonight
     
  4. brad-t

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    Really cool idea. Might steal it for future ideas.
     
  5. jet

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    can't believe my friend made me get an instagram smh
     
  6. Raindrop

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    I borrowed a DSLR and did it during noon for my stuff [​IMG]
     
  7. cyc wid it

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    From a sick dancer/choreographer who's on JT's tour. (Lyle Beniga)
     
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    what are we looking at
     
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    cyc wid it Well-Known Member

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    The tags on the custom stuff for the tour. Nothing mindblowing, just a little interesting detail.
     
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  10. LA Guy

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    Guys, the reason that CM stuff moves is because the guys who are selling are getting it bulk, and flipping at prices that they know will move the stuff, Some of those guys are semi-pro at it. You can't beat those prices on Ebay. Or honestly, even find those goods. And the other guys are just clearing out their wardrobes. You can't find a pair of Valextra branded shoes for $395, anywhere. You combine good prices with an audience with good spending power, and of course, things move.

    I see the exact opposite in the SWD part of the marketplace. You have sellers who want an unrealistic price for their goods, and you have a more price conscious audience with less spending power, generally. This combination does not make for a particularly fluid market. I've looked through the stats, and there is a lot of traffic through both parts of the marketplace. If there is a problem with marketplace, it's highly unlikely to be a structural one. It's most likely a problem of unrealistic expectations, both on the supply side and the demand side.

    I just looked through the first 5 pages of the SWD buying and selling, and some of the prices are... not great. I mean, a pair of Buttero sneakers for $260. The retail on them is $325-$375 most places, and I've seen them for as low as $295, retail. What incentive is there to buy from this private seller? Not only are the shoes not that much more expensive from say, Barneys, or greg's store (he sells a similar low top model for $325, free shipping and returns, and a 10% Styleforum discount), but I can't return, have no guarantee of condition, etc... Some guys is trying to move used Wings+Horns jeans for $120. One dude is trying to sell some APC jeans for $190. Some dude is trying to sell a Inverralan sweater for $290 (+ paypal fees, but I just erased that). I mean, wtf? Inverallan cardigans are $259 at Endclothing.

    Ebay has a much larger, and also much generally less savvy, audience of sellers. If you are trying to move something near retail, the likelihood of getting that Styleforum member who doesn't have a pretty extensive list of webstores, or even reads the Official sales thread, is really low. We also get a lot of search engine traffic, but only a fraction of that goes to the marketplace, and even there are natural barriers to using it (same as for Ebay, a webstore, etc...) And people are not going to buy unless the prices are good and the goods are appealing.

    There is also just a bigger picture, which is that there is just a much higher proliferation of inexpensive designer goods on the internet than there was just a few years ago, and it just takes the ability to google, to find them. CM brands (try looking for Valextra shoes online) often don't have the same type of online proliferation), which insulates that marketplace.
     
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    I dunno. Maybe I'm just overly biased vs. huddler or looking at the past with rose tinted glasses, but I remember the old experience more fondly. It was more exciting to browse through pages of listings and there was a higher signal to noise ratio of interesting items listed.

    I'm sure my tastes have changed, but my tastes were and remain pretty darn broad. Also there frequently were imo great deals. I bought used flathead/white mountaineering/cabourn shirts for 75 - 100. Ndg... mmm paper covered gats, woolrich woolen mills from a guy who was able to get clearance deadstock at great prices. I lusted after many intarsias that were posted at sub 1k prices, but wasn't willing to drop the cash then. I bought my worn once Buttero boots there for 200.

    I've checked it out a few times since and what gets listed in conjunction with the browsing experience from a UI perspective just turns me off making the rounds on a regular basis.

    That there are more inexpensive designer goods around from more retailers makes sense. Are you saying sellers expectations haven't adjusted to that reality? Or have their expectations gone up? I don't remember people listing APC jeans for $190, but it is quite likely my brain auto-filters crap like that and I simply didn't notice back then. Also, I feel like Teger likely utilized the SF marketplace more than Ebay before (Teger correct me if I'm wrong)... does that mean he should have been using Ebay in the past as he's been leaving money on the table? Or has the market dynamics between SF marketplace vs Ebay changed?
     
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    The deals that you once found just aren't there anymore. Sellers have increased their expectations the wrong way, as have buyers. I hear in the in the tone of discussions "I don't want to lose too much money." This attitude is fairly new, and comes from an erroneous model that assumes that goods retain value. For the most part, they do not. It's like a car. The moment you drive it off the lot, it loses half its value. You may complain that this is stupid, but it's the way things are. Something worn once? C'mon man. That's a whole world apart. That is now used goods. Do you ever go to a consignment shop, and expect things to be anywhere near retail?

    In the past, people were more realistic. It was assumed (as the casual CM sellers do) that you are just recouping a sunk cost. That *any* revenue from something that you tried, and doesn't work, is a bonus. You can't just think of B&S as a revolving door. It's true that there is a basement for the value of goods, but it's much below retail, for nearly all cases.
     
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    What do you think is driving the change of expectations? It doesn't seem to follow that the increased presence of retailers with great prices/selection would do so.

    Is it a change in the population of who is buying/selling? You'd think that sellers from when I frequented the marketplace that are still around would maintain the same perspective with the depreciating value of their worn clothing and wouldn't be inclined to change their strategy from one that works to one that doesn't.

    P.S. I just looked the marketplace again and here's my 2cents on why I dislike browsing the new marketplace.

    1. My browsing was very much user/thread driven. I'd either look at a page and see a thread from a user I know (E.g. Ooh sipang he posts in the schneider thread. Or ooh jet he posts funny stuff and talks like he has awesome taste/shit. Or ooh Fuuma isn't he some kind of european assassin?) or I'd look at the list of brands in the title and sizes and want to peruse what the user has to offer.

    2. I don't get much value of the little pictures. Brands/sizes/descriptions are more valuable to me as I pretty much count on having good pictures in the thread to make the visual judgment call. Thus the little pictures just take up screen real estate, are distracting and fundamentally make it so there are less lines of text for me to scan to determine interest.

    3. As mentioned the experience is now very single item driven and if I'm looking for a specific item I'm going to use search and I'm not going to browse for them as that seems like a terribly painful way to find something in particular. Better yet if I really cared about single items it'd be much cooler for me to set up size/brand/keyword filters/alerts to alert me when they come on the market place. Still, threads did a much better job of convincing me that something I didn't even know I wanted/needed is too good of a deal to pass up.

    This is very much like my TV problem. After I run out of shows I know I want to watch or check out... I start wishing I didn't download all my tv and had cable still and could just let hbo/sci-fi channel run on the background. Nothing great, but great background noise and sometimes something exciting shows up and makes me happy. Usually The 5th Element... again.
     
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  15. LA Guy

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    My question would be: how is your browsing different from the old system, or do you even remember? My impression, based on input from both sides of the marketplace, is that the real issue is a content, rather than a structural issue. But if there is a structural issue, there are some things that we can do, lie decreasing the number of open classifieds someone can have. There are even solutions in content, like turning off all non-paid bumps, so that there is a cost associated with bumping, and so people won't just bump forever without dropping prices to a price at which they think that they can sell.
     
  16. nicelynice

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    Man, I hate those Balmain biker jeans. Whenever I see them, it's always some ugly 40-year-old dude in a leather jacket that doesn't fit
     
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    If I get a pair, I promise to wear with slightly better fitting leather jackets.
     
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  18. pronxs

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    This I agree. Esp when toasty resorts to gifs to attract clicks.
     
  19. Find Finn

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    There's tax and shipping on top of the 259$, but it's not from END, it's a Strathtay, so it's from their mto program and was 1xx$.
     
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    FWIW I just paid $280 pre- fees for my single donegal MTO. If you went double donegal in a special fabric it was more.
     
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