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Random fashion thoughts

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by thekunk07, Aug 1, 2009.

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  1. shoreman1782

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    Man, people turned on varsity jackets pretty quickly [​IMG] Not to take it personally and get defensive, but since I am running the varsity group buy...
    Varsity jackets (remember the 8-ball jacket?)
    Indeed and I'm trying to avoid that pitfall. Also popular in the early 90s were the gap varsitys with denim sleeves.
    they will be regrettable because most people who wear them look like they couldn't throw a baseball let alone make a varsity team. the TOJ one is nice (especially at the price point), but its just the next step in ironic asian americana.
    Exactly whom are you referencing, Ben? And the ironic Asian Americana thing--it's not like every asian line is spitting out varsitys. I'm guessing your only source for this assertion is the fact that they sell on rakuten.
    also LA Guy I have been bored enough to look at the early WAYWT threads and just.. damn
    Post up a Tiegs fit pic from 2004, and we'll see what's up!
    I don't get varsity jackets, but maybe because I'm Australian. TOJ was nice though. Are varsity's ment to be cheap? Is it like an rugby jersey? (We get our names on the back for high school graduation) Americana style stuff is at its coolest when you keep it simple. Go full on and you either look like your trying to win at cosplay or your a bear on the look for your next cub.
    Thanks for confidently adding your 2 cents, then.
     
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    Man, people turned on varsity jackets pretty quickly [​IMG] Not to take it personally and get defensive, but since I am running the varsity group buy... Indeed and I'm trying to avoid that pitfall. Also popular in the early 90s were the gap varsitys with denim sleeves. Exactly whom are you referencing, Ben? And the ironic Asian Americana thing--it's not like every asian line is spitting out varsitys. I'm guessing your only source for this assertion is the fact that they sell on rakuten. Post up a Tiegs fit pic from 2004, and we'll see what's up! Thanks for confidently adding your 2 cents, then.
    Uh my 2004 fit pic would blow your mind dude. Baggy gap chinos, baggy RL polo (big pony), nike dunks Dude the varsity thing started here because of Japanese companies starting to put them out, and it hit a lot of the designer/aspiring designer brands for this season - W+H, Balenciaga, APC (again, although they released a basic one last season). It's the new 'in' jacket, just like m65s were 3 years ago. It's in the exact same spirit as workwear, trying to capture an idea of a 1950s Americana ideal that never actually existed (which is ok), but honestly I think it looks WAY more inauthentic than any lumberjack gear ever will. I also think that most varsity jackets are incredibly poorly cut. It's ok on a cute girl, because it mines the same vein as the 'wearing my boyfriends shirt', but on a guy it just makes you look frumpy and old before your time. I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong once your Centralia buy comes in, but I doubt it, and in 6 months when the jackets are totally played out, people will be agreeing with me. I was considering buying a TOJ one, but then I realized that Varsity jackets have a time and a place: high school, and if you're not in high school, it just looks off.
     
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    I don't see anything wrong with a clean varsity jacket. The only reason one wouldn't last is because of obnoxious multi-coloring, huge fit and a gigantic 8 ball on the back. A nice fitting subtle designed jacket will never go out of style and it's not like they have chenille letters on them.
     
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    Example(s)?

    For the most part, my Shipley & Halmos Spring collection was a disaster. The fit was off, the pricing was too high, and the dudes weren't digging it.

    Except this shirt below. Sold out in a little over a week. A lot of our customers shop as couples. Every time a guy tried it on, his parter (mostly girls, a few guys) would look at him and say "Shit yeah." If it fit him, then he bought it every time. It wasn't cheap either - I think that the retail was around $170.

    [​IMG]

    We also did great with madras shirts from a few brands. The bolder the colors, the better in every case.
     
  5. Robert

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    Out of boredom this afternoon I turned to On Demand on cable and watched some Real World eps. Is this really how most guys that age dress these days?
     
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    I don't see anything wrong with a clean varsity jacket. The only reason one wouldn't last is because of obnoxious multi-coloring, huge fit and a gigantic 8 ball on the back. A nice fitting subtle designed jacket will never go out of style and it's not like they have chenille letters on them.

    This is my view. Yes, it's trendy at the moment but a clean, well fitting varsity will always look on point.
     
  7. shoreman1782

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    Uh my 2004 fit pic would blow your mind dude. Baggy gap chinos, baggy RL polo (big pony), nike dunks

    Dude the varsity thing started here because of Japanese companies starting to put them out, and it hit a lot of the designer/aspiring designer brands for this season - W+H, Balenciaga, APC (again, although they released a basic one last season).

    It's the new 'in' jacket, just like m65s were 3 years ago.

    I was considering buying a TOJ one, but then I realized that Varsity jackets have a time and a place: high school, and if you're not in high school, it just looks off.


    What japanese companies?? Yes, APC put out a cotton bomber that looked like a varsity--W+H has a bomber for fall that has varsity lines--balenciaga has a jacket that significantly reinterprets the varsity. None of those are jp companies, and none of them are cashing in on kodachrome fedora-lounge-like nostalgia (which, despite appearances, I find distasteful, too). I understand that the CKM buy didn't come from out of nowhere and is picking up on a trend, and I know you've been enjoying being the local iconoclast for a little while now (Nice collective isn't the pinnacle of awesome?! Tell me more!), but you seem bitter and dismissive of a trend before it's even really happened.

    On the high school thing, I hear you--maybe b/c you're closer to being in high school than I am you're more sensitive to this. I also know that in actual HS I wouldn't have been caught dead in a varsity jacket, but hey, tastes change.
     
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    What japanese companies?? Yes, APC put out a cotton bomber that looked like a varsity--W+H has a bomber for fall that has varsity lines--balenciaga has a jacket that significantly reinterprets the varsity. None of those are jp companies, and none of them are cashing in on kodachrome fedora-lounge-like nostalgia (which, despite appearances, I find distasteful, too). I understand that the CKM buy didn't come from out of nowhere and is picking up on a trend, and I know you've been enjoying being the local iconoclast for a little while now (Nice collective isn't the pinnacle of awesome?! Tell me more!), but you seem bitter and dismissive of a trend before it's even really happened. On the high school thing, I hear you--maybe b/c you're closer to being in high school than I am you're more sensitive to this. I also know that in actual HS I wouldn't have been caught dead in a varsity jacket, but hey, tastes change.
    Honestly I think my distaste stems from two things: actually being a varsity high school baseball player recently, and passing on a varsity jacket (like most of my team) because it was expensive (oh how things have changed...) and dorky, leading me to find this whole 'not in high school yet trying to capture that ideal' bizarre, and the fact that I think in 6 months it'll be the new Urban Outfitters in look, and we'll get to see 500 variations wandering around Georgetown. And dude, considering the fact that nobody bought Nice Collective at retail for basically the entire time I work at Farinelli's, and every sales person I've talked to in any store that carries it has concurred that it has horrible sale numbers, I obviously am not alone in my dislike. It's one of those brands that people rave about when they see the look book, but never actually buy because it fit weirds, is terribly over designed, and, at its best, cribs from far better brands. I can hear a hundred people (and have heard that many on this board) talk about how each season is so amazing and it will make me a believer, but three months later it's at 75% at Barney's co-op and I'm still not buying it. If you like Nice Collective go to the Georgetown Co-Op, because there's about 30 pieces in full size run sitting on their discount racks. I get the military aesthetic with a grunge edge, I really do, but I'd rather try to hunt down Cloak on ebay then pay more $10 for any NiCo piece. I don't want to turn this thread into me ranting about NiCo, but until I actually see people purchasing or wearing the clothing, then I don't care how many people admire it from afar, because praise is empty unless you follow it up with your wallet. Honestly, this leads me to another random fashion thought: I think that there are maybe 10 brands on here that everyone always praises, yet nobody ever buys. If you compare threads like Recent Purchases and F/W Arrival/Reviews, you see a huge disconnect: for as much talk exists about something like .. WWM or NDG, very few people actually come through with a purchase, instead relying on safe fallbacks. I'm sure price point is one thing, but is not the whole picture. I'm definitely guilty of the same thing, but I'm trying to change it.
     
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    For the most part, my Shipley & Halmos Spring collection was a disaster. The fit was off, the pricing was too high, and the dudes weren't digging it.

    Except this shirt below. Sold out in a little over a week. A lot of our customers shop as couples. Every time a guy tried it on, his parter (mostly girls, a few guys) would look at him and say "Shit yeah." If it fit him, then he bought it every time. It wasn't cheap either - I think that the retail was around $170.

    We also did great with madras shirts from a few brands. The bolder the colors, the better in every case.


    That's a pretty major trend nowadays I think, the whole patterned shirts in really bold colors. I see it often, and I can't help but associate it with the Hypebeast whatever trend.

    But I'm all for it, I love bold colors.
     
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    What the fuck? Let's all jump on the pot belly band wagon. In truth this get-up was pretty much the unvarying male uniform last summer also, but this year an unexpected element has been added to the look, and that is a burgeoning potbelly one might term the Ralph Kramden. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/fa...3POTBELLY.html
    this is why people hate hipsters
    The three pitfalls that are easiest to fall into when your new are: A: Buy heaps of cheap garbage and not focus on investment B: Buy items that don't fit an overarching theme C: Chase hype Glad I waited awhile and focused on my basics first. Next year I can just pick up a few cool pieces here and there that work in my overall collection.
    i'm gonna have to watch out for those...
    For the most part, my Shipley & Halmos Spring collection was a disaster. The fit was off, the pricing was too high, and the dudes weren't digging it. Except this shirt below. Sold out in a little over a week. A lot of our customers shop as couples. Every time a guy tried it on, his parter (mostly girls, a few guys) would look at him and say "Shit yeah." If it fit him, then he bought it every time. It wasn't cheap either - I think that the retail was around $170. We also did great with madras shirts from a few brands. The bolder the colors, the better in every case.
    that is an awesome shirt [​IMG] i'd say the loud woven shirts and madras prints are pretty traditionally masculine though - i don't connect it with hypebeast at all.
    This is my view. Yes, it's trendy at the moment but a clean, well fitting varsity will always look on point.
    +1
    And dude, considering the fact that nobody bought Nice Collective at retail for basically the entire time I work at Farinelli's, and every sales person I've talked to in any store that carries it has concurred that it has horrible sale numbers, I obviously am not alone in my dislike. It's one of those brands that people rave about when they see the look book, but never actually buy because it fit weirds, is terribly over designed, and, at its best, cribs from far better brands. I can hear a hundred people (and have heard that many on this board) talk about how each season is so amazing and it will make me a believer, but three months later it's at 75% at Barney's co-op and I'm still not buying it. If you like Nice Collective go to the Georgetown Co-Op, because there's about 30 pieces in full size run sitting on their discount racks. I get the military aesthetic with a grunge edge, I really do, but I'd rather try to hunt down Cloak on ebay then pay more $10 for any NiCo piece.
    [​IMG] if only i wasn't poor [​IMG]
    remember kids, whenever you read this line of logic, that it is completely and utterly false. I've never met a man who felt threatened because women were *gasp* working. what is this, the 1930s?
     
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    I've had some success selling old clothing items. But I'm beginning to wonder if the more decent thing is just to give them away, considering all the need, all the poverty, out there. I'm wondering if it's better karma just to give it all away to Goodwill or the Salvation Army? What the fuck big difference does it make if I make a few bucks or not?
     
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    If you compare threads like Recent Purchases and F/W Arrival/Reviews, you see a huge disconnect: for as much talk exists about something like .. WWM or NDG, very few people actually come through with a purchase, instead relying on safe fallbacks. I'm sure price point is one thing, but is not the whole picture.

    I'm definitely guilty of the same thing, but I'm trying to change it.


    I always follow through.
     
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    Honestly I think my distaste stems from two things: actually being a varsity high school baseball player recently, and passing on a varsity jacket (like most of my team) because it was expensive (oh how things have changed...) and dorky, leading me to find this whole 'not in high school yet trying to capture that ideal' bizarre, and the fact that I think in 6 months it'll be the new Urban Outfitters in look, and we'll get to see 500 variations wandering around Georgetown.

    I could see why someone recently out of high school would view varsity jackets in that way. You no longer want to be associated with that scene and want to move on. I was a starter on my high school football team also but passed on the varsity back then for two reasons: I didn't want to be associated with football players due to my dislike for the vast majority of them and they were ugly as fuck in its cut and color. But as I just entered my late 20's, no one will be confusing me for a high school student and the new styles of varsities are cut slimmer and look a hell of a lot better than those back then.

    As for the eventual UO adoption of the varsity, couldn't that be said for any new trend?
     
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    Regarding outdated fashion clothes, I used to try to sell them on e-bay and recoup some of the frivolous expense made on impulse, then I went thru' a period of donatiing them to Salvation Army. Then I realised that Salvation Army customers don't care about high fashion. Now I just destroy them and then throw them out. And for some reason it feels just right.
     
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    Seriously!?

    What about giving them away to someone you know would appreciate them?
     
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    Regarding outdated fashion clothes, I used to try to sell them on e-bay and recoup some of the frivolous expense made on impulse, then I went thru' a period of donatiing them to Salvation Army. Then I realised that Salvation Army customers don't care about high fashion. Now I just destroy them and then throw them out. And for some reason it feels just right.

    you must be kidding
     
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    What the fuck?
    Let's all jump on the pot belly band wagon. In truth this get-up was pretty much the unvarying male uniform last summer also, but this year an unexpected element has been added to the look, and that is a burgeoning potbelly one might term the Ralph Kramden.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/fa...3POTBELLY.html

    Ugh those kind of articles are so uncomfortably awkward to read. NY Times: delivering the [​IMG]
     
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    I was not defending nice collective. And people were talking about how overpriced and overrated it was three years ago.
     
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    Am thinking of buying some "new Gap denim" just so I can participate in the "new Gap denim" thread and know what I'm talking about. Good idea or bad?
     
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    Go for it. There are so many sales and the old denim (which I think is better) is marked down a whole lot now. I like them.
     
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