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** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by david3558, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Technica

    Technica Active Member

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    I notice a lot of high ankle lace up boots to have the so called "storm welts".

    Do these actually make a significant difference in terms of water resistance??
     
  2. hoit1981

    hoit1981 Well-Known Member

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    Storm welts are meant to add a level of water resistance. They are not water proof, for that you would be better off with veldtschoen.
     
  3. Technica

    Technica Active Member

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    Hmm its very hard finding a stylish boot with Veldtschoen unfortunately, most of them dont look sleek enough for me :(.

    Just wondering, because I'm still after a versatile boot for all weather conditions, and trying to decide between either the Northcote lace up derby, Brecon chukka (both of which have storm welt) or the Tetbury (no storm welt).

    I'm mor drawn to the chukka style than lace up (since a lace up would be a bit too much for spring/summer I think), but not sure if the water resistance level would really significantly differ between the Brecon and the Tetburys.

    In terms of style I think I prefer the sleeker look of the Tetburys, but is Brecon significantly tougher??
     
  4. bc78

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    The Tetbury is nice looking and supposedly good in the rain. (I don't have firsthand knowledge.) Are you able to see them in person? The Tetbury and the Northcote both are waxed leather which is a bit different.
     
  5. LeatherFoot

    LeatherFoot Well-Known Member

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    The storm welt does confer added water resistance but also makes the shoes appear less sleek in most cases; part of that is the welt itself the other is that C&J tends to use the storm welt on more rounded lasts. Unless you are intending to submerge them in water the normal Goodyear welt on the Tetbury is more than sufficient for all weather conditions. For the record we do not recommend that you submerge storm welted shoes in water either.
     
  6. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Well-Known Member

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  7. DuckOB

    DuckOB Well-Known Member

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    Evening guys. Picked up my first C& J boots- some Islays from a fellow forum member. The 365 last seems to be a good fit for me. Wife even likes them and looking at the women's version for her

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  8. DeathandTaxes

    DeathandTaxes Well-Known Member

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    I bought the double monks that were being sold by BBBF at the same time as when these originally debuted with the same soles, etc., and I can confirm (to the best of my ability) that that are C&J.
     
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  9. DeathandTaxes

    DeathandTaxes Well-Known Member

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    I found these unique ones while surfing eBay (marked "Bench Made in England" and have the typical C&J nail pattern in heels):

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    Anyone have a clue as to what they are?
     
  10. hoit1981

    hoit1981 Well-Known Member

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    Ugly?
     
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  11. Beach Bum

    Beach Bum Well-Known Member

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    I only bowl once a year at most, no thanks. Got to wonder with all the great shoes CJ makes why they make ones like the few posted above.
     
  12. jssdc

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    I have tetbury's and can confirm that they're great in rain and snow. They're not versatile. They look slightly clunky with a suit (due to the double dainite sole), but overly sleek with casual outfits (due to the 348 last). From the choices above I'd go with the Brecon.

    Btw if you're a 42.5 (which I am) there's a chap on B&S selling dark brown Vass chukkas on the F last for $400.
     
  13. dte421

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    Hello Experts - a sizing question here; Looking to get a super basic C&J black oxford to try them out - either the Hallam or the Audley.

    For reference -

    11.5 on the Carmina Inca
    11.5 - Carmina Simpson
    11 - Alfred Sargent Moore (724)
    11.5 - A&E Strand
    11 - To Boot NY Capote (awful fit!)

    Seeing as it's impossible to find good C&J in my size in HK (no one seems to carry larger than 11) - do you think I'm better off with the 11.5 I usually wear or the 11 I wear for AS.

    Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks in advance.
     
  14. zinc2162

    zinc2162 Well-Known Member

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    Hi, can someone comment on the different between 325 last and 360 last please,specifically on the toe room? I am a UK8E for 325 last. Based on my research,I should be in the same size for 360 last. My concern is that 360 last has a more tapered toe box and I need to size up. I have had problem with shoes where most places fit except the toe box.

    For reference
    US9 Brooks Brother Peal & Co hatch grain boots (coniston?)
    Uk8E Carmina rain last
    Uk8E Carmina Detroit last.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  15. Rstldr

    Rstldr Well-Known Member

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    Gents, please forgive the intrusion. I was looking to acquire a whisky cordovan loafer, and the C&J Harvard from Ben Silver (314 last) or the Harvard 2.0 (376 last) direct from C&J is of interest to me. Please forgive a sizing question. I am a 10.5 EE TTS and wear a 10EE on Alden Barrie which is a great fit, though I can also wear a 10.5E on Barrie as well. I have had a difficult time learning the difference between the two lasts for each of the C&J loafers and was hoping a few of you could offer some sizing advice on either shoe. I thank you in advance for your time and willingness to help me on this subject.
     
  16. Watchman1

    Watchman1 Well-Known Member

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    Its all about the measurement you have from heel to ball of foot.

    I am technically a US 10 2E or 3E last dependent.

    However, I am a US 11 from ball to heel. So, I can comfortably wear 10 2E to 10.5E to 11D
     
  17. alexSF

    alexSF Well-Known Member

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    Bear in mind that Ben Silver C&J are Us sized and D width which is narrower than UK E Width, I doubt you can fit into them if you are a US EE
     
  18. Crat

    Crat Well-Known Member

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    fwiw I wear a Ben Silver Cornhill in 10.5D and most my UK Crocketts in 9E.
     
  19. Rstldr

    Rstldr Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys. I put my name down for a 10 with the NY C&J store. Hope they get them in soon. Worst case I'll ship them back. These would be my first pair of C&J so truly hoping the fit is alright.
     
  20. Watchman1

    Watchman1 Well-Known Member

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    That was the point I was trying to make.

    You did good.

    They should need a tad bit of breaking in, but should ultimately work, especially if they are unlined.

    Thanks.
     
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