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** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by david3558, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Wes Bourne

    Wes Bourne Well-Known Member

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    @TweedyProf Some of bengal's posts might be of interest to you, although they prob won't help with Barneys' C&J sizing :
     
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  2. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Well-Known Member

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    @TweedyProf

    If you're collating data, here are some measurements from shoes I've previously owned but have now sold (most to people here). I no longer have them so I can't double check measurements, but this is what I put in the listings.

    Malton - Barney's version, US10D, 12 1/2" x 4 3/8"
    Clifford - Barney's version, US10D, 12 3/8" x 4 1/4"
    Winchester - C&J for Shipton & Heneage, UK9, 12 1/8" x 4 1/4"
    Coniston - BB Black Fleece version, US10D, 12 3/8" x 4 1/4"

    If you want data I have quite a few C&Js that I could measure, including shoes for RL, and the Barney's version of the Wicklow.
     
  3. TweedyProf

    TweedyProf Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Gents, I'll collate these tomorrow.

    @Fred G. Unn

    SOrry, I don't know the lasts of those. I'm focusing on the 348 which I take to the the most popular bench grade C&J so people have a reference. Any of those 348s? I'll include them as well in the collated post.
     
  4. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Well-Known Member

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    Nope, none of those are 348s. I have the Lowndes, Hallam, and Westbourne on 348 in UK9E, and IIRC they all measure about the same. I don't have any US sized 348s although I did try the Barney's Tetbury in US10D and 9.5D.
     
  5. othertravel

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    I bought an 8.5D Lingfield from Barneys and compared it to my 7.5UK Tetbury's, and the length matched up (didn't measure - compared side to side).

    Although the Barneys felt a little narrower.
     
  6. Berners15

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    I think it would be a brave man that bought a 348 without trying it on and seeing it on your foot first. 348 can look very elongated and pointed depending on your foot size and the model of shoe. People say it's the 337 equivalent, I own a lot of 337's and the 348 is similar I'll admit but it looks much more pointed in the flesh.
     
  7. TweedyProf

    TweedyProf Well-Known Member

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    Data for Sizing C&J 348 Last (especially for Barney’s customers)

    With hopes that this will help folks in the thread for future reference (especially when buying from Barneys). These are heel to toe measurements. Certainly, folks buying from Barneys are welcome to take measurements before returning them (because you know the sizing is going to be off). Manufacturing allowances should be made for slight variance between measured sizes.

    From @pendulum

    308 mm (12 1/8 inches 8UK Hallam purchsed from UK)

    From @wes bourne

    308 mm (12 1/8 inches 8UK purchased from UK C&J Westbourne)

    From @jssdc

    12.5 inches heel to toe for UK purchased 348s for 9UK.

    From Fred G. Unn

    12 3/8 inches heel to toe for UK purchased 348s for 9UK

    From @Churchill W

    C&J Drummond UK 8.5E bought from Burlington Arcade store in London:

    Length: 12 7/16" or 316mm
    Width: 4 3/16" or 107mm
    Insole marking: 8.5/5

    Others from Fred:

    If you're collating data, here are some measurements from shoes I've previously owned but have now sold (most to people here). I no longer have them so I can't double check measurements, but this is what I put in the listings [note not 348s].

    Malton - Barney's version, US10D, 12 1/2" x 4 3/8"
    Clifford - Barney's version, US10D, 12 3/8" x 4 1/4"
    Winchester - C&J for Shipton & Heneage, UK9, 12 1/8" x 4 1/4"
    Coniston - BB Black Fleece version, US10D, 12 3/8" x 4 1/4"

    Dainite soles might increase the size of sole measurement. E.g. from @ Zippyh

    A size 10US measures 12.75 inches. They're suede George style boots.
    A size 10.5US measures 12.875 inches. They're suede Tetburys.
    Both are on dainite soles. They also both fit pretty much the same.

    Mine which are Barneys sold 9D (presumably US) are 12.25 inch heel to toe. Marked 9/4 in the footbed.

    On internal footbed markings, there’s a slight difference in opinion.

    Some (most) think that it is the uk size and width, so 9/4 is US 10/narrow (C?); 9/5 would be US 10D.

    Others think that it is marked for the market. I will update as needed if more data comes in.
     
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  8. jujujoo11

    jujujoo11 Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]

    What do people on this forum think of this?? I never seen it get mentioned? Do you guys like it?

    edit: these are Norwich on 348 last.
     
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  9. Berners15

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    I was considering it in black as a winter work office shoe, give me a memory jog as will be in their shop in mid July and I'll see them in the flesh - photos can be quite deceptive for the better or worse.
     
  10. CrackedCrab

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    It is going to be hot as a mother here today so I pulled out the unlined teigns

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  11. Churchill W

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    Here's my input on the 348 last measurements.

    C&J Drummond UK 8.5E bought from Burlington Arcade store in London:

    Length: 12 7/16" or 316mm
    Width: 4 3/16" or 107mm
    Insole marking: 8.5/5
     
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    Thanks.


    Edit - Any idea how a CJ 341 last translates into a Carmina rain last or vice versa?
     
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  15. TweedyProf

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    Thanks, I'll add this!
     
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  18. GuP

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    Any ide

    Any idea on wow would above translate into a CJ Sidney sizing?
     
  19. sleepyinsanfran

    sleepyinsanfran Well-Known Member

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    size down one if you have narrow to average feet. half if wide
    (this assumes the US D fitting on the RL and Uk E fitting on the sidney)
     
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