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Put on a couple of pounds...trying to get rid of them...

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by MarkI, Feb 3, 2012.

  1. tradernick

    tradernick Well-Known Member

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    Come on! Be a man. Stand up and say what you mean. Don't hide behind the troll-acronyms! : ).

    Shaking your head why? Because you think people who are trying to lose fat should eat a lot just before going to bed?
     
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  2. Lagrangian

    Lagrangian Well-Known Member

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    do you have some deep-seated issues with comprehending the english language or something to that effect? You're making shit up that was not implied.
     
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  3. BBSLM

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    My point is that the "no eating X hours before bed" rule is physiologically useless, like much of the dogmatic advice people parrot online. There may be behavioral implications for some people (eg, someone who typically eats a box of cookies before going to bed every night) but that's beside the point.

    I'm not advocating eating a lot before bed, but doing so is in no way detrimental to fat loss goals.
     
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  4. tradernick

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    There you go - a grown up response. Don't you feel better? You're wrong, but that doesn't matter.

    I get the impression that you're one of these muscle building types who has no connection to the needs of the average couch potato who's trying to shed the gut. For the majority of them, there are lifestyle changes that are needed, and cutting out the late night Haagen Dazs is crucial.

    I'll put it another way. The whole battle for the majority of people is behavioral, and not physiological. The behavioral considerations are not beside the point, they are the point for the majority. In addition, most of what I posted has to do with physiology. Finally, I'm relating what worked for me because I had to do the same thing at one time.

    In any case, it's nice to see you taking a step in the right direction in terms of how to communicate with others. Don't worry, a lot of people fall into the trap of speaking online in ways they wouldn't in person.
     
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  5. normadil

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    First calculate how kcals your body need in a day if you don't do any exercise. Then eat 10% to 20% less than what yourn body requires. Do cardio every day ~40 minutes, and you will be back to your old self in a few months.

    And ofcourse only eat the healthy stuff, no fastfood, enough vegetables and fruit.

    Just my 2 cents
     
  6. BBSLM

    BBSLM Well-Known Member

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    whether someone is a 'muscle building type' or a couch potato is irrelevant - refraining from eating x hours before bed is unnecessary and in no way beneficial to fat loss assuming calories are controlled.

    if OP follows your 1,400 calorie/day rule, his behavior has already been corrected. so show me why eating within two hours of bed is bad.

    conversely, if someone eats a pint of haagen daaz 3 hours before bed, how has your 2-hour-before-bed rule accomplished anything?

    lol anecdotes.

    [​IMG]
     
  7. tradernick

    tradernick Well-Known Member

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    I'll respond in your (initial) style.
    lmao
    ROTFLMAO.
    wtf?

    My last post here. I think the OP got enough continuity in the responses to formulate a plan. Losing weight for the vast majority is a matter of behavioural adjustment. For these people, not being able to take the weight off means you have a weakness. Either you'll overcome it or you won't. Failure doesn't matter. All that matter is whether or not you try again.
     
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  8. BBSLM

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    and this is why i stick to dismissive condescension instead of starting a real discussion when dealing with people who are full of shit.
     
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  9. gort

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    If you have an iPhone, get the app "Lose It!" It is great for tracking your daily consumption.
     
  10. Backus24

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    Actually, you're the one who is wrong.

    Meal timing is completely irrelevant when macros are controlled across diets.


    If you're on a 1500kcal diet and you eat that entire portion of calories minutes before you go to bed it will not in any way negatively affect body composition.


    You're parroting old myths.
     
  11. bringusingoodale

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    Change your habits to feeling normal and comfortable to slightly uncomfortable and miserable. Doesn't have to be extreme.

    Example: You normally wake up at 8 am and zombie like start your daily routine.
    Change: set your alarm at 5 am and but some dumbbells near your bed and upon waking begin any type of workout with them. You won't go back to bed once you start no matter how much you think so.

    Example 2: You normally get home from your day and settle into your routine.
    Change: leave a bicycle at your driveway, doorstep and force your self to ride your bike around your neighboorhood for some time before you settle home.

    This is really behavioral. Unless you are drastically increasing your normal caloric intake, this should work. Remember, miserable people are generally thinner.
     
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  12. tradernick

    tradernick Well-Known Member

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    Here, I'll fix this for you

    "...this is why I start with dismissive condescension instead of starting a real discussion when dealing with people. Because internet trolling has given me a new lease on life". : )

    Really, 2nd my last post here.
     
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  13. tradernick

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    Amazing how misinformed some folks are. If you really care enough to educate yourself, try asking a dietitian whether starving yourself all day and then stuffing in 1500 cal just before sleep is the optimal way to lose fat.

    You and your bodybuilder buddy are on ignore. You can post just to show you know how to get the last word, but I won't see it.
     
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  14. fuji

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    I bet trader nick is fat.
     
  15. Backus24

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    I guarantee he is fat and/or has a terrible physique, it comes out as anger in his writing.

    Ask a dietician? Okay, how about I ask Alan Aragon or Lyle McDonald if it matters.

    Actually, I have and I now know the answer, with clinical research to back up the claims.




    For those of you who would like to step outside of making your life miserable so you can lose a few pounds, here are a few good links to visit and start educating yourself.

    http://www.leangains.com/

    Leangains is a fasting period followed by a feeding period. Typically 16 hours fast, 8 hour feeding window.

    http://www.alanaragon.com/

    Alan is one of the most respected Nutritionists in the industry. His book and research review are well worth the money, especially if you're wasting the money already on supplements that don't work.

    Lastly,
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/

    Lyle McDonald is great as well.
     
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  16. BBSLM

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    That was easy.

    edit: but i'm not a bodybuilder. strong assumptions.
     
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  17. BBSLM

    BBSLM Well-Known Member

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    I got the fat, MC, goober vibe from him as well.
     
  18. Lagrangian

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    You continue to humor me. Please tell me how in the fuck did you make the (very logical) leap from


    this to the nonsense you spouted above

    can you please leave the internets, preferably forever



    Just another weekend warrior who knows shit all about dieting and meal frequency, often found on fitness messageboards.
     
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  19. fuji

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    Strong possibility trader nick also thinks squats are bad for the knees, believes in tonning, too much protein is bad for you and likes bosu balls. The bro science goes hand in hand.
     
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  20. ice86x

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    1. There's no reason to cut out certain foods. You can eat whatever as long as IIFYM
    2.High Intensity is better than low
    3. 1400 calories? No, you don't know his maintence so how can you tell? Not eating before bed? Eat whenever you want

     
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