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Pocket Squares: A Discussion Thread, Questions, Opinions, Suggestions.....

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by GusW, Mar 1, 2011.

  1. YRR92

    YRR92 Well-Known Member

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    You'd have to get it drunk first. [​IMG]

    I'm gonna say no, because the scale and pattern type are different. It would end up looking like a negative image of a dark neat tie sitting in your pocket.
     
  2. davesmith

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  3. Loathing

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    The thing about the paisleys is that I find their playfulness to be dissonant with more formal clothing. A silk neat tie is just the right amount of playfulness -- I feel a loud paisley square in addition to the floral tie is going to tip the balance a little too far. That limits the paisley's versatility a little, in my view. Fine idea to buy a few, but I don't think they can be my go-to for all the neat ties I have. Agree/disagree?
     
  4. FlaneurNYC

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    I was thinking more everyday wear. If I were to go more formal, I might skip pattern altogether and use a plain square with a contrasting rolled hem. Or maybe even plain linen.

    T&A has some pretty sedate paisleys that I would not feel were out of place with more sober clothing.

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    This, too. Big fan of motifs!
     
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  5. DerekS

    DerekS Well-Known Member

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    for me it depends on the paisley. Ive found a dark ancient madder paisley is very versatile and can work well with a neat tie. Now the squares davesmith posted above would be far too loud with a neat...and would work best with a solid or discreetly patterned tie. YMMV
     
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  6. unbelragazzo

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    The square in your pic isn't one I would get. Like most squares that are available, it's a nice fabric that somebody just decided to turn into a pocket square. It doesn't look like it's fabric designed with destination pocket square in mind. Somebody with a good eye can pick through these kinds of fabrics and find ones that would make good squares, but it's not easy. Vanda falls into this category. A lot of what they use are kimono silks. They have more hits than misses IMHO. Put This On pocket squares are in this category too. Most of the squares sold by even the top quality menswear companies - Brioni, Attolini, Armani, Zegna - are neat-patterned silks that I don't think wear very well in general.

    For a motif square in action, here's a link to timo's post in the good taste thread:

    http://www.styleforum.net/t/309586/whnay-s-good-taste-thread/6075#post_6125320

    It looks like the square is probably a motif but I can't be sure. There are a bunch on my tumblr too if you want to take a look. I think Manton and :foo: both have Rubinacci Victory squares they wear pretty often.

    If you meant a link to an example of a square to buy, there aren't that many options. The reason is that the designs are usually proprietary once they are made, and they are expensive to make. It takes a lot of consideration and expertise to design something that looks good on its own, but also performs well as a square, showing a variety of colors that will then also be compatible with a wide array of outfits. You're probably going to pay a few grand to get a good design, and it takes a bunch of square sales to get that back.

    The most affordable ones would be Kent Wang, which are mostly using already existing images as pocket squares. I don't own any of these personally, but many look like they would make good squares. Then you've got Drakes and Rubinacci, which are more costly, but make really beautiful squares of their own design. The Drakes in silk/wool blends for FW and cotton/silk for summer are very nice.

    For the absolute best in designing and printing motif squares, there is Hermes. They are true works of art. But they usually cost a few hundred dollars.

    Anyway, more of my thoughts on pocket squares here (sorry for the tumblr plug):

    http://ivorytowerstyle.tumblr.com/post/34657036025/my-favorite-pocket-square-makers
     
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  7. Loathing

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    Thanks everyone for extremely informative answers.
    Particular thanks to you unbelragazzo for such a comprehensive post!
     
  8. GusW

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    I find that the small, neat tie patterns are subtle and harmonize best with simple linen or cotton squares such as these.

    Note, that due to the simplicity of color and pattern, the small details of border and fabric weave pattern are more evident and enjoyable. For that reason, it is worthwhile purchasing the best you can find verses plain linen or cotton:

    White linen from A Suitable Wardrobe:

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    Blue and white cotton from Simonnot-Godard:

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  9. TheMangelo

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    Someone suggested to me that PS fabrics are seasonal, e.g. cotton in the winter and linen in the summer. I disagree; your thoughts?
     
  10. GusW

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    I wear the two above year round. White linen looks good year round. Linen prints usually look best in warm weather. In general, most cotton prints look best in warm weather months. But this simple classic blue can work well with many winter tweeds. I think it provides an especially nice contrast of texture and material agains a cashmere or wool tie in winter.


    Here is a cotton that I wear in warmer weather, but wore it yesterday with a blue blazer because it felt like Spring in California. (Sunny 60 degrees)

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  11. zeero3

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    I feel the EXACT same way and am highly interested in opinions.....
     
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    The trick is to go with a paisley in a sufficiently large scale that it is not identifiable as a paisley when used as square. A small paisley is too close in size to most ties anyways.
     
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  13. FlaneurNYC

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    I'm a creative in a creative field, so my experience in stuffy boardrooms is limited. How formal are you talking about?

    If you mean any lounge suit in your definition of "more formal," then my mileage varies. If a classic design such as a tasteful paisley is too playful to wear with a lounge suit, there's little room for any whimsy at all.
     
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  14. hendrix

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    Popping over from SW&D. Can I get a suggestion as to what would be a good choice for this jacket and fit?

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    I feel like white linen is not quite perfect here. I'm thinking some type of paisley as the fit needs some pattern, but i'm not entirely sure what colour.

    Would this work?
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  15. unbelragazzo

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    yes, that's nice actually.

    Not sure whether there's enough contrast with the blazer though.
     
  17. unbelragazzo

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    Hard to tell without seeing both in person, but keep in mind most of what you'll be showing is the blue/brown/cream middle part and not the edge which seems closer to the jacket.
     
  18. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Well-Known Member

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    Also, I am preemptively kindly requesting no 5-page debate on hendrix's use of the word "blazer"
     
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  19. hendrix

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    actually I don't care if there's minimal contrast, I kinda want something that I can just leave to sit in the jacket and not have to worry about it clashing with anything else. So that's a great suggestion, cheers.
     
  20. SpooPoker

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    Cashmere square.
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