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people who bitch about tipping are scum?

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by Teger, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member

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    lol. You'll come to SF acrying when you end up feeling violated and with 2 cold nickels in your pants.
     
  2. idfnl

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    PM Geko, you can team up.
     
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    I've been out of the loop. Could someone kindly get me up to speed please?
     
  4. mordecai

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    You take Platonic friends to dinner?
     
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    Well first off, TIPS = to insure prompt service.

    I've went to school in hospitality management and worked in the industry, tips don't have to be and shouldn't be paid unless the service person EXCEEDS your expectations.

    Some people feel sorry for those that get tips deducted from tax and has pay cut to sum minimum wage from restaurant managers. You can do what you feel is right or wrong but at the end of the day tips shouldn't be paid to service workers who don't give a shit about your experience.
     
  7. Dashaansafin

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    I tip 15-20% EVERYTIME because its the fucking social norm. I bet Gekko does to. No one goes out to eat and doesnt tip. I do it begrudgingly. You STILL have failed to give me a reason to support these assholes.
     
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  8. LA Guy

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    The reason we tip is because it's not just a social norm at this point, it's the de facto way servers get paid. You don't tip, the waiter doesn't bring home enough to live on. So, in short, you tip in order to not be an asshole.

    BTW, that something is a social norm is a good reason to do any number of things. Why do you not pick your nose and wipe it on the seat? Why do you not greet people with a happy "Fuck off?" Why do not run down the street yelling "Outta my way?" Think of it as part of the price of living in society.
     
  9. CouttsClient

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    The restaurant is guaranteeing the the servers a minimum wage
    They do this so the servers will be available to serve customers
    You are expected to pay for the service you receive in the form of a TIP
    People that want to be served in a restaurant essentially have to pay for their service based on its level/quality
    This is the way the system is setup.
    If you don't want to do that then stay home.
    Don't expect people to feel sorry for you.
     
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  10. Dashaansafin

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    Only in America. I still feel the system should be overhauled and servers get a decent wage.
     
  11. CouttsClient

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    You're bothering with something that isn't likely to change. Buck up and pay. You might as well get happy about it while you're at it
     
  12. chronoaug

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    Then write your congressman (or tweet him dick picks since they seem to like that more). Not tipping isn't standing up for beliefs. Like LA Guy and them were saying, it's just people trying to justify being cheap, bad people, and general assholes.


    Some tipping stuff is confusing. Getting pick up from some place is weird because there is a tip jar because they may also do seated service. Same with coffee (different if you have a local shop you go to every day and they treat you super well knowing just how you like it and what not) especially drip coffee. Maybe rules are different when you're getting espresso? Mainly because those people are not paid a below normal wage to rely on tips. Then some larger chains for food like this don't allow tips which makes it confusing. It seems everyone has different methods for tipping people who aren't on the server strategy of $2-3 an hour + tips.

    Then again, you could always listen to some jerry seinfeld standup as i think he has covered many tipping situations lol
     
  13. Dashaansafin

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    What about tipping on cabs? I drop them a dollar is its 5-10 bucks.
     
  14. LA Guy

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    0-30%, depending on service. Some assholes, especially in NYC, take you for a ride. For example, one dick restarted the clock when I was sharing a ride with someone (we'd agreed to split) instead of just letting the meter run. He got no tip on the second part of the ride. If someone picks up during changeover, or chooses the fastest route, or otherwise does well or does me a real favor, I can tip up to 30%. Usually, though, it's 20-25%.
     
  15. leftover_salmon

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    People need to stop looking at tipping as customary or a "social norm" and start looking at it as incentivizing good service. I get that they have low salaries because they're supposed to make tips, so I'll give 13-17% for average service (though I adjust my expectations of "average" accordingly -- I want a higher standard at Per Se than I do at TGI Friday's), but I also have no qualms giving nothing for bad service or 25%+ for extremely good service. It's not being cheap when I willingly shell out another $80 on a great dinner for two when $45 would've been enough for an average tip.

    You would think that because they don't bring home enough to live on salary alone, they'd work extra hard for that tip, wouldn't you? Unless they realize that people tip them anyways...so now we're stuck with hordes of shitty, indifferent servers. It's really not that tough, though: Don't be rude, don't fuck up badly, and if you do, make up for it in some way. That's really all I ask for from a waiter.
     
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  16. impolyt_one

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    That's a lot of money, if it were NYC I'd be inclined to tip about 10-20% since the rates are fair (but unless the ride is over 30 minutes, I think I'd max out at about a $5 tip), but for a place like LA where they can go faster and really get the meter to roll on distance>time and/or get a nice mix of distance covered+ a little stop and go that gets them another $10 on the meter for a little 50 foot stretch, I don't really want to give them much more than a few bucks.

    Good thing tipping is not customary in Asia. Taxis in Japan are already insane, especially since the 710y meter drop is about $10 nowadays. :fu:
     
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    I am never sure....it often ends up being whatever money makes sense depending no the cash in my hand. If I pay by credit card and they have one of those auto systems where you pick a percentage (and they go absurdly high in the options but not a lot of low %s) I will usually enter it by hand and throw them a few bucks.

    When I am taking a cab home from working late (covered by client) I almost always add $3 although its not my money. The rides are usually about 15 from the office to my house which makes it 20%. We use a corporate account with a single company so they are often the same drivers (to the point where some people have drivers who live near them who they will call directly since the driver can just drop them off and end his shift right near home). If they manage to make it with $12 on the meter, they've done well and deserve the some $3 even though 20% would be less.

    If they take the stupid route to my apartment and the meter goes high...I cut the tip down. I am reasonably confident that it is *not* faster and the meter is always more like $18-19 so I think they are purposely doing it to drive a higher fare and I cut their tip down accordingly. I had one guy argue with me that it was a better route, I say "no, take my exit" and he ends up blowing by it and taking the expensive route anyways...
     
  18. impolyt_one

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    Happens in Asia all the time, drivers are older than me usually and they're a) ripping me off with a poker face, b) mistaking me for a tourist (although like you I only ride between my house and the same place everyday for work, and I know every possible route and their cost) c) taking the elder vs the younger stance. No tips here so they don't lose anything but I usually snap a pic of their cab medallion and tell them to fuck off. Problem with that though, is that I hope I never hop in their cab again, lol.
     
  19. LA Guy

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    It comes out to about $5 on a ride from deep downtown to midtown, for 20-25%, since, as you mentioned, NYC cabs are pretty reasonable. A lot of times, for short rides, it's usually a few bucks. In LA, they sometimes try to fuck you over, so there have been times where I've just stepped out of the cab, and told them to fuck off, and not pay them at all. I did that to one cabbie who refused to start his meter, and tried to charge me $20 for a 10 minute ride. He threatened to drive me right back to where we started, so I opened one of the passenger doors, braced myself on the other, and started kicking the crap out of his car. He stopped the car and let me out. I jumped out fast, because I knew that he was going to gun the motor on me.

    Essentially, I'm pretty nice to people providing a service, but I really don't take being fucked over particularly well.
     
  20. impolyt_one

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    lol, that's pretty brazen. I've done a cut n run from a taxi before, interesting experience. Should have not underestimated the driver, even though he was old, because he had a Marines medallion on his dash. Guy could run decently. Ended up between some cars in a huge parking lot. :lol:
     

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