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PBJ problems: back to the drawing board

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by chronoaug, Feb 27, 2007.

  1. Brian SD

    Brian SD Well-Known Member

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    The fly on PBJs make them very uncomfortable. Mine never really felt better for me, even after months of wears, and I had the higher rise version (XX-003). It's not a problem with you chrono, it's definitely the jeans.
     
  2. poly800rock

    poly800rock Well-Known Member

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    The fly on PBJs make them very uncomfortable. Mine never really felt better for me, even after months of wears, and I had the higher rise version (XX-003). It's not a problem with you chrono, it's definitely the jeans.


    i had the xx-003 as well...it still kind of blows my mind this issue isn't brought up like everyday since so many people have them now...you really do have to go commando in those jeans to make it somewhat comfortable.
     
  3. ringring

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    i had the xx-003 as well...it still kind of blows my mind this issue isn't brought up like everyday since so many people have them now...you really do have to go commando in those jeans to make it somewhat comfortable.

    I think I mentioned the thickness of the crotch almost a year ago. This is an area where many thicknesses of denim converge, and it's the thick part of any jeans.

    The PB's feature an inside fly facing that's about 1cm wider than most 501 style jeans. This coupled with multiple layers of the thick fabric creates a bit of a lump.

    Although personally I've only found it to be an issue with the AI-001s. And fixable. You can just trim a bit off the edge of the fly facing.

    http://www.styleforum.net/showthread...ight=pure+blue

    Anyway, regarding alternative choices, try the Fullcount 1108 as mentioned previously. That will give up around another inch of front rise. As will the Eternal. In fact apart from the longer rise, the Fullcount is pretty close to the PBs in terms of leg fitting.

    Also worth considering is the Slim Bootcut from RRL. Don't worry, the bootcut is barely there, and in fact they taper down to a narrower hem than the PBJ 005s. The RRL's are around a half inch longer in the front rise.

    All of them have lighter, flatter denim than the Pure Blue's.
     
  4. v84

    v84 Well-Known Member

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    I think if you stick with em they will settle down and stretch, its one of the main reasons I havent washed mine yet. I do notice on extra long walks, the crotch seam rubs a bit against my thigh, but this I pretty rare, I still dont hesitiate to wear em around london all day. Incidentally this is also where most wear occures.

    In regard to your choices, I have the s5000bk 2 sizes smaller and the rise feels the same, id wear pants with em, whereas with my canes I have much more room. The sammies do feel like a low rise jean, not so much in the seat but they do at the front.

    Basically, if it bugs you too much, find another jean.

    I must admit, I love the 005 cut, its so slim and flattering but not skinny and emo, just right. Please keep us updated on the choices you consider, id also like to find a similar shaped jean for my next project.

    Why dont you look into, somet the regulars are pretty slim, as are ( surprisingly ) the slims!

    Omnigods, do a tapered cut, 18cm hem, they look great, 15000 yen!

    John Buls, sc008, sc003.

    Eternal Tigers - I imagine these are very similar except with an extra inch rise, they had size 32 left at bears from what I remember. ( from what ive read and the pics and stats ive seen these look very close to the pbj 005 )

    Full Count 1108, they are slim but Ive heard that the thigh is a smidgin looser than the pbj 005. Personally the wide spaced back pockets irk me.

    I might be wrong, but sammies sillouette doesnt ever look too slim, except on the 30" waisted 6'4" love god we all know as "cheap"
     
  5. ringring

    ringring Well-Known Member

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    Full Count 1108, they are slim but Ive heard that the thigh is a smidgin looser than the pbj 005. Personally the wide spaced back pockets irk me.


    Just for your information, I have both jeans in front of me in the same size. The pockets on the PBJ 005 are actually spaced further apart than the Full Count's. Not by too much, but around 1.5cm difference.

    The thigh measurements are very similar. The Fullcount's measure around 1cm slimmer [​IMG]

    The RRLs that I mentioned earlier are noticably slimmer than both.
     
  6. mikesduc

    mikesduc Well-Known Member

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    The 1108's are ultra comfy and would be a good choice for FL IMO. However, on me at least they tend to fall down in the back causing diaper ass so I'm always pulling them up. S stated previously i wear 34 in PBJ and 32 in Fullcount.
     
  7. v84

    v84 Well-Known Member

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    Just for your information, I have both jeans in front of me in the same size. The pockets on the PBJ 005 are actually spaced further apart than the Full Count's. Not by too much, but around 1.5cm difference.

    The thigh measurements are very similar. The Fullcount's measure around 1cm slimmer [​IMG]

    The RRLs that I mentioned earlier are noticably slimmer than both.


    Oh really? Do they come as close to the hips as each other? Its not so much the spacing rather I dont like the left edge of the left pocket and right edge of the right pocket coming to close to the hips, or the seam, its that wrap around look I dislike.

    If im wrong then full count are suddenly much more desirable to me!
     
  8. ringring

    ringring Well-Known Member

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    Measurement from top corner of back pocket to side seam,

    PBJ 005 - 4.5cm
    Full Count 1108 - 4.5cm

    [​IMG]

    The Full Count's have a slightly longer top edge to the pockets. There's about 1cm difference.

    They're a great pair of jeans. I think the biggest difference between the PBJs and the FCs is the length of the rise and the fabric. I wouldn't find the pocket placement an obstacle.
     
  9. v84

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    cheers man, these are definately a consideration for my next pair once the pbjs are broken in then! So many great jeans out there!
     
  10. sbbbjm

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    While I generally don't recommend buying jeans "skin tight" (my PBJs were my one exception, and I didn't realize they'd get THAT tight after the hot soak), this sounds--no offense intended--like you don't have that much experience with dry denim. All of my dry denim has shrunk back down after a wash, then promptly ballooned out to right where it was before the wash within a matter of hours, at most. "Skin tight" is usually too tight, depending on the look you're going for, but if you buy a pair that fits you exactly as you want to in the store, you're going to end up with a much looser pair of jeans than you thought you were buying. Which is also fine, just know what you're getting into.

    none taken, maybe i just wear mine more regular/fitted fit than tight compared to people on styleforum. with my first 3 pairs of dry denim (apc english, ssds, PBJ) i feel like i bought them too tight bc it was hard to button without sucking in my stomach or laying down on the bed. they stretched eventually but everytime i've soaked or washed them they shrink back down to that uncomfortably tight new state.

    i snagged some SD-103's about a month ago and luckily they were only tight enough to where i didn't have to wear a belt, but they buttoned semi comfortably, and the entire process has just been so much less of a hassle. they stretch and balloon out, but its just the same amount as when i went the too tight route.

    i just think dry jeans are somethign that your supposed to bum around, be carefree in, so you can essentially destroy and distress. they should be easy to deal with and should be comfortable and something to enjoy --- not something that makes you self conscious or something that you have your highs and lows with.

    *note* the tone of this is actually very lighthearted.
     
  11. Saucemaster

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    Well, I was clearly wrong, then, you've got plenty of dry denim experience. [​IMG] For the record, I agree with you, but I didn't want anyone who really was totally new to the dry denim experience to get the impression that the immediate post-wash shrinkage was permanent. Like I said, all of my jeans that have stretched right back out to where they were before the wash pretty much immediately. With certain exceptions (APCs in particular, those jawns stretch like a mofo) I think it's way overkill to buy jeans that you actually have trouble buttoning up. I leave that for the SuFu crowd.
     
  12. sbbbjm

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    hmm i thought about it some more --- maybe try finding a pair that when they are laid flat they have a bit of hip flare. in my case SD-103's have perfect crotch room bc of the slight hip flare they have. when i first got them and was looking at the sihlouette i was a little putoff but once i put them on they fit a lot straighter and had no hip flare, and the best part, the boys weren't suffering.

    some other brands i can think of that have a 10 to 11 in rise while keeping that skinny, straight sihloette are

    Flat Head 3001

    Size 30x36
    waist: 15
    inseam: 37
    leg opening:7 1/2
    thigh: 11 1/2
    front rise: 10
    back rise: 14

    Skull Jeans 5010xx or the Linda measurements here
     
  13. tljenkin

    tljenkin Well-Known Member

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    none taken, maybe i just wear mine more regular/fitted fit than tight compared to people on styleforum. with my first 3 pairs of dry denim (apc english, ssds, PBJ) i feel like i bought them too tight bc it was hard to button without sucking in my stomach or laying down on the bed. they stretched eventually but everytime i've soaked or washed them they shrink back down to that uncomfortably tight new state.

    i snagged some SD-103's about a month ago and luckily they were only tight enough to where i didn't have to wear a belt, but they buttoned semi comfortably, and the entire process has just been so much less of a hassle. they stretch and balloon out, but its just the same amount as when i went the too tight route.

    i just think dry jeans are somethign that your supposed to bum around, be carefree in, so you can essentially destroy and distress. they should be easy to deal with and should be comfortable and something to enjoy --- not something that makes you self conscious or something that you have your highs and lows with.

    *note* the tone of this is actually very lighthearted.


    I really enjoyed that post. Very fresh philosophy on dry denim. I wish you could give SuFu-esque rep on SF.
     
  14. chronoaug

    chronoaug Well-Known Member

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    Today i'm wearing slick underarmour type boxer briefs(knockoffs from target) and things work a lot better IMO. They're kinda slick so it's easy to slide up and down my hips. The waist is actually fine and not choking my hips or creating a muffin top or anything. The knee bulge and honeycombs on the back of the knee are a bit much(some from the previous owner). The crotch of the jean still rubs my thigh sometimes, but things work a lot better with this tight underarmour like boxer briefs(keeps me cool too unlike normal boxer briefs).

    The thing with flathead jeans are, that i haven't seen a good close up pic of the denim yet. It's hard to tell from the fit pictures people on sufu post, but it looks a bit flat, and not as nice of a color(imo at least) as the pbjs and the samurais. I asked some people on sufu if they could post a good detailed pic.

    Same with the skulls, although though the fit looks like what i'm in the market for. I'm not going to new york till summer, which kinda sucks because i'll be back in BiG like over winter break. Maybe over summer i'll pick up a new pair to break in during fall.

    I'm still thinking of maybe hopping into the tub for a bit with them on and walking to the store about a mile or two away to dry them and maybe stretch the crotch area out a bit. Plus, i wouldn't mind tugging on them a tiny bit to make them half an inch longer and start the honeycomb/knee bulge over from the previous user. I'll start posting pics of outfits whenever my camera batteries recharge.
     
  15. Get Smart

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    I really enjoyed that post. Very fresh philosophy on dry denim. I wish you could give SuFu-esque rep on SF.

    yea that brought home some good points. I've always gotten a good chuckle reading posts by fellas that have to lie down, suck in their gut, then proclaim "PERFECT FIT!!!" [​IMG]
     
  16. mikesduc

    mikesduc Well-Known Member

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    All I wear are underarmour boxer briefs. They make most all rubbing problems disappear and they last FOREVER. Get some!
     
  17. King Francis

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    molding to your butt, quads and crotch isn't fitting -- its too tight.

    I disagree. While skintight is probably too tight (for most people in most situations with most pairs of jeans), I love when jeans hug my body appropriately. I usually buy lowrise, let the jeans sit properly low on the hips, and never slouch the seat. Baggy seats make it seem like you have no ass, plus they look sloppy in my opinion. (Part of what I mean by "sloppy" is "disproportionate." Looks strange/bad to wear jeans tight in the legs but noticeably baggy in the seat.)

    Disclaimer: I don't have much experience with dry denim yet (only own one pair), but my preferences in terms of fit aren't much different in raw than in washed denim. Though tolerable inseam length and all that may differ.

    EDIT: From what I've been hearing, I should buy some Under Armour #666. I wear fitted boxer briefs as it is, but those sound really good.
     
  18. chronoaug

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    The under armour style boxer briefs are nice in the fact that you can slide your jeans up or down without the boxers bunching. Also, it seems to give you a bit more room as far as tightness on the waist go. I'm still having a bit of problems as far as how far low the rise on the pbjs are, but nothing about my jeans look skin tight. I have room to spare as far as tightness is concerned but the rise is just a different issue. They're always below my hips but because of how low they are cut, they look normal although you show a bit of skin when sitting sometimes.
     
  19. King Francis

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    Yeah, the fit looks good to me. I do 8.5" rises without a problem.
     
  20. chronoaug

    chronoaug Well-Known Member

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    I've done lower rises than the pbjs before too. It's probably not the rise that's bothering me, but i don't know what else to blame it on. When looking down the inside of the jean, it looks like it bunches up right around the crotch area. Hard to explain. It's a weird fit. I love the way it looks. They seem to be giving. I definitely would want a more comfortable jean for my other main pair though.
     

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