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On suicide

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by MarkI, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. Douglas

    Douglas Well-Known Member

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    I've been through depression and at one or two points I guess I vaguely considered it, looking down over the campus green thinking it'd be a lot easier to jump than go through everything else I was about to go through.

    My cure for depression was to basically become a nazi about locus of control. I'm a little more relaxed about it these days but I think everyone, especially me, has the ability to control their own life and their own happiness. Bad shit doesn't just happen to people - they generally have some influence over their environment and most of all how they respond to it. So if I get run over by a bus driven by a drunk driver running a dead red while I was happily walking on the sidewalk - it's my own fault for not paying enough attention. At least I knew and accepted the risks of walking on the sidewalk. It's not to say terrible things don't happen, but the bottom line is that nobody else is responsible for your happiness but yourself. I also learned how to identify some of the negative (usually very self-centered) patterns of thought that had become routine for me and were contributing to the malaise. I can now check those patterns in their infancy.

    Cool story, eh bros?

    The closest actual suicide to me was this guy I knew in high school. He and I both dated the same extremely poisonous person - I actually "stole" her from him though, truth be told, I think it's more that he dumped her off on me, eager to be through with her. Scarily enough, now that I think about it, she was sort of the catalyst behind a lot of the things that ended up precipitating my own depression - though there was fertile soil there to begin with for other reasons. Anyways, he was also fertile soil for the crazy, having had an extremely fucked upbringing. Sad, as he was one of the most talented and brilliant people I'll ever know. Played D1 lax, could have played D1 football, went to Yale before transferring to UNC for lacrosse (and probably other reasons), a true math savant. Some years after HS, when I was living in Cali, I got this random call from him (I don't recall how the F he tracked me down) asking if he could crash with me for a few days. I allowed it, and this really strange few days ensued where I barely saw him. He'd be out til after I was asleep, he'd be crashed when I left for work, and gone by the time I got home. This went on for a few days until one day he was gone. I never saw him again.

    A few years ago, I learned he'd walked in front of a semi on an onramp in Las Vegas at 4 in the morning. Although we were never that close, I feel sort of a strange kinship with him, as though he represents a shared and in some ways similar childhood, spun off in a bad direction. It further underscores my life philosophy.
     
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  2. acidboy

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    certain people are just emotional black holes that suck the happiness out of people around them and turn the ones more susceptible into miserable fuck ups like them, and left unchecked they are like the catalyst to the crazies. I have close family members that are like that and just stepping into their house you feel that the inside is so fucking dark even if its not, and all you're gonna hear is about how fucking miserable life is. come to think of it, my uncle who hung himself grew up in an environment like that.
     
  3. lasbar

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    Mental illnesses, addictions have an important role to play in suicides...

    You will be amazed how many people are going undiagnosed even today in our happy pill popping generation..

    I will bet that more than half the population are suffering from obvious personality disorders..
     
  4. Teacher

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    It's certainly beneficial, but those studies tended to show that the depression and anxiety that was relieved was milder and, usually, situational. I was diagnosed with major depression and generalized anxiety disorder two years ago, and though I exercised regularly, I don't know how well I would have gotten through that period without the SSRI and Benzo that I was on.


    Feelings of guilt are extremely common among survivors of suicide. At the support group I used to attend, every single member had feelings of guilt that I would put into two categories: (1.) survivor's remorse, and (2.) feelings of responsibility. They're terrible and persistent, but you do adjust.


    Good Lord....



    A lot of times, it's the pressure (social, financial, etc.) of the "happy" event that triggers the suicide. I don't know if this was the case here, but that's fairly common. Think of all the people who commit suicide on or around Christmas. Terrible.
     
  5. patrickBOOTH

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    Suicide is selfish.
     
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  6. lasbar

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    By essence ,it is even if it is a little complex than that...

    In people suffering from Bipolar disorder , suicide is quite common due to chemical imbalances in the brain..

    It is a litt;e more complex than selfishness..
     
  7. patrickBOOTH

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    That's different. Somebody offing themselves because they did something stupid and made bad decisions is selfish.
     
  8. Teacher

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    Uh....I don't think that quite covers the situation the vast majority of the time.
     
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    As a father of two , I must admit it will be very very difficult to see suicide as a way out..
     
  10. MrG

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    Please don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to advocate against medicine. Medication can be very effective, especially in severe cases, and exercise definitely isn't a panacea. I just thought it was interesting that there's another option out there that can be used both in lieu of, and in conjunction with, med/talk therapy.


    Also, painless. It brings on many changes.
     
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  11. Thomas

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    As much as I wanted to identify with Hawkeye, I grew up to be Winchester, with a hint of Klinger. :(

    ...

    bipolar runs in my family, some of us take meds, others don't. The black dog visits once in a while, and is part of the reason I run as much as I do.
     
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  12. Douglas

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    christ, everyone on this forum is fucking nuts
     
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    It took you 5 years? Really? :confused:
     
  15. Teacher

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    Oh hai! Welcome to Styleforvm!
     
  16. Thomas

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    LURK M0AR N00B!
     
  17. Teacher

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    Sure, I got it. Exercise really is great, for many reasons.
     
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  18. Douglas

    Douglas Well-Known Member

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    Mods, can we have Mr. G's member title be "Homeopathic Witch Doctor" please?
     
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    I've always believed that are certain circumstances in which I'd kill myself. Like if I was a parent and my wife and children died and I was the only survivor, or if I had terminal cancer, etc.
     
  20. taxgenius

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    A person about to commit suicide doesn't care about such things.
     

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