1. Welcome to the new Styleforum!

    We hope you’re as excited as we are to hang out in the new place. There are more new features that we’ll announce in the near future, but for now we hope you’ll enjoy the new site.

    We are currently fine-tuning the forum for your browsing pleasure, so bear with any lingering dust as we work to make Styleforum even more awesome than it was.

    Oh, and don’t forget to head over to the Styleforum Journal, because we’re giving away two pairs of Carmina shoes to celebrate our move!

    Please address any questions about using the new forum to support@styleforum.net

    Cheers,

    The Styleforum Team

    Dismiss Notice

Official: STAR WARS THREAD. These are the droids you're looking for. **WARNING MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Jr Mouse, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. limping_decorum

    limping_decorum Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,877
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2007
    i'll be in the minority but i think rogue one took a big shit on the lucas originals.
     
  2. VaderDave

    VaderDave Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,015
    Joined:
    May 18, 2010
    

    Agree. We saw it tonight and really enjoyed it.

    I've been waiting for a Vader scene like that since I was seven. :slayer:
     
  3. otc

    otc Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    14,202
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2008
    Nothing ground breaking but I had a great time (except for the children behind me who wouldn't stop whispering and kicking my seat).

    Saw it in 3d because that was the showing that had the bigger screen and fancier sound... Honestly it really detracted from the film. First, it was the Dolby 3d system which I had never used. I thought it was utter shit. It may be a technically superior system to Real3D, but not in practice. The glasses don't work well with eyeglasses, and the lenses are fairly small so they obnoxious impede the field of view. And because the glasses are washed and reused, none of the lenses are perfect. I grabbed a couple of pairs and even the best had annoying glare. The cheapo Real3D glasses never give my any of those issues.
    Second, the 3d just didn't add anything, and there were too many scenes where a foreground item was blurred, which always feels jarring. Also hated the 3d effect on the on screen titles and credits.

    So basically...I recommend 2D.
     
    1 person likes this.
  4. El Argentino

    El Argentino Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,987
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2010
    Location:
    Where the Truckee waters flow
    Saw it this morning - thought it was extremely enjoyable, if a bit melancholy.

    That Vader scene, ripping through the helmets, was ridiculously awesome.
     
  5. wojt

    wojt Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,695
    Joined:
    May 16, 2013
    I've just seen it, and imo it's the best Star Wars movie outside episodes IV-VI.

    It certainly had some freshness and grittiness to it, that the franchise was missing and it was perhaps closest along with episode V to picturing what being a rebel scum means.

    It lacked imo a bith of depth, the movie could use extra 10-15minutes of dialogues to reveal characters more so we care more for them.

    I liked the fact that it tried to do something new compared to Ep VII and in fact it was better imo because of that. Ep VII was too repetitive and used too much old stuff. Here it was more Easter-eggish and more toned down.


    you understand me so well :cheers:

    ps.

    I rooted for the Empire
     
  6. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    17,421
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Location:
    All of time and space, everything that ever was or
    Movie. Fucking. Rocked.

    Saw it Friday. Will share full thoughts soon, but It's funny. 90% of the "bad" stuff I see from people online is fanboy nitpicking. Like one reviewer I read went off for three paragraphs that he thought Vader "didn't look right". Lol
     
    1 person likes this.
  7. wojt

    wojt Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,695
    Joined:
    May 16, 2013
    ^ well he didn't look right I noticed it too and some sfx was 2nd grade compared to VII, but it wasn't that distracting to be a major issue
     
  8. willy cheesesteak

    willy cheesesteak Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,993
    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Location:
    popeyes
    My favorite characters from the movie were Chirrut Imwe, Baze Malbus, K-2SO, Bistan, Pao, and Weeteef Cyubee.

    The critiques about GMT aside, I thought they did a really good job on young Leia, similar to how they de-aged Michael Douglas in Ant-Man and RDJ in CA: Civil War.

    What I felt the movie accomplished really well though was that it made you care about The Alliance so much more than all the previous films. The amount of sacrifice, how much the odds were stacked against them, and even the characters whose names you didn't know, you cared when they died. It really felt like a team effort and not just Skywalker and Co. and was a perfect segue into A New Hope. The ground battles and aerial dogfighting scenes were just stunning, easily the best out of all Star Wars films. When the rebel ships jumped into hyperspace and arrived at Scarif, I was in my seat like :bounce2:.

    And Vader, finally, redeemed from those old prequels! That is the badass Darth Vader we all want! That last scene where the lights go dark, his breathing, and then him mowing down all those rebels and seeing the sheer terror in their faces while trying to escape. :slayer:.

    This film is what a good prequel should be and really put the 'war' in Star Wars.
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2016
  9. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,821
    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2013
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Saw it. Liked it a lot.

    Sad, but good.
     
  10. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    17,421
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Location:
    All of time and space, everything that ever was or
    

    Leia was old unused footage. They just cleaned it up and edited it in. No one was de-aged for that scene.
     
  11. willy cheesesteak

    willy cheesesteak Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,993
    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Location:
    popeyes
    

     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2016
  12. Van Veen

    Van Veen Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,581
    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2011
    Location:
    Nerdo Crombezia
    I liked it, but it felt very video gamey to me, like the plot's only purpose was to bridge the action scenes.

    Definitely got the look and feel right, and I loved the action scenes, but story-wise it seems tacked onto the Star Wars universe rather than integral to it.
     
  13. Graemsay

    Graemsay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    155
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2012
    I think that there are a few justifiable gripes with the film. There's one thing that annoyed me a bit in retrospect, which isn't really a major spoiler, but I've blacked it out to keep the two of you who haven't seen the film yet can avoid it. :)

    At the start of the film, Jyn Erso is given a Khyber crystal necklace, and Chirrut Îmwe picks up on it during the Jedha sequence. But then it's forgotten about.

    Furthermore, Galen's pet name for Jyn is Stardust, although that does crop up again, and Khyber crystals are described as being formed in the hearts of suns.

    It strikes me that this might have been leading somewhere, or perhaps it was something that might have been figured out if they'd done another draft of the script. Alternatively, there was a payoff, but it was cut when the third act was re-worked.

    Oh, and the Master Switch. What was that doing on a console in the middle of a glade?

    OK, I do have another gripe. There were a few cool shots in trailers that didn't make it into the film. Like this, for example.

    [​IMG]

    And this.

    [​IMG]

    I really wanted to see how Jyn dealt with that TIE fighter!
     
    1 person likes this.
  14. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    17,421
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Location:
    All of time and space, everything that ever was or
    


    To be fair Vader looked different in all three of the original films. My understanding is they tried to blend in the design changes we saw as his costume evolved over the OT for his look in this film. I was fine with it.
     
  15. otc

    otc Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    14,202
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2008
    Shouldn't he look identical to the opening of Ep IV?

    I mean...it literally happens like 5 minutes later.

    I actually felt a little weird about the ending. It was cool seeing the rebellion muster a bit of a fleet (and then have it destroyed) and kind of makes it a little clearer how they could muster a big fleet in ROTJ, but have basically nothing but fighters on hand in ANH.

    But...having watched the opening of ANH before going to see Rogue One, it didn't exactly seem to fit with what I expected. In Rogue One, Leia's ship is launched off a bigger capital ship in the midst of combat, moments before it would have been boarded.

    In ANH, the ship is fleeing a star destroyer, but the way the soldiers inside position themselves, you'd think this was the initiation of combat, not a bunch of people who saw action 30 minutes ago. Then the captain says "This is a consular ship...we are on a diplomatic mission" and Vader responds "If this is a consular ship, where is the ambassador?".

    That doesn't feel right moments after running from a massive space battle. Even if the captain tried that excuse, their conversation wouldn't really make sense having just launched out of an attacking fleet (can't even argue the ships were defending themselves...the rebels were the aggressors) and even engaged storm troopers on board.

    I guess I was just assuming the message would be passed to Leia in a more sneaky manner...transmission forwarded off to a passing diplomatic vessel when it becomes clear that the agents on the ground will never escape.
     
    1 person likes this.
  16. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    17,421
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Location:
    All of time and space, everything that ever was or
    

    Compared to the refinements made in ESP and ROTJ, Vader's costume in ANH was a little rough. So I don't really blame them for wanting to tweak it a little to look better on screen. Again, non of it was distracting to me. It looked close enough to the ANH version that non of the changes bothered me or threw me off. He looked like Vader and I appreciated they brought back the reddish tent in his eyes.

    If we really want to get technical about it all, one could easily call out the voice work for lacking that slight hurriedness to his speech patterns that went away in the following two films as James Earl Jones perfected his take on the villain.
     
  17. otc

    otc Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    14,202
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2008
    FWIW, I didn't actually notice any problem with the costume.

    I mean...he looked like vader.
     
    1 person likes this.
  18. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    17,421
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Location:
    All of time and space, everything that ever was or
    

    :fistbump:

    One other thing I appreciated:

    At the end of the film Vader fought like he should. Slow, deliberate strikes. His movements had weight to them and power. Non of that kinetic super hero nonsense from the prequels.
     
    1 person likes this.
  19. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,821
    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2013
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    This just in-Vadar, not allowed to change clothes.
     
    1 person likes this.
  20. Van Veen

    Van Veen Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,581
    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2011
    Location:
    Nerdo Crombezia
    
    I agree with a lot of this, especially the video game thing. Here are some comments:

    > Everything is well designed, with a nicely lived-in feel. Appropriately much closer to the look of the OT than to the plasticky feel of the prequels.

    This I absolutely loved. They nailed the look and feel across the board.

    Couldn't help but smile about how the hairstyles of the rebel and imperial officers are straight out of the late 70s. The main characters had more modern styling, of course, so we can relate to them more.

    > Also near the end, it gets very computer gamey with 'go plug in this cable over there, then go to turn on this switch at that console, then pick up the thingy and plug it in, go to another console to flip another switch and finally back to push a button'.

    This has been a HUGE problem of mine with recent sci-fi action movies. Here, we have a humanized AI "NPC" with plot-convenient limitations telling the "player" what tasks they need to accomplish. K-2SO = Cortana.

    > CGI Tarkin looks plasticky, Leia looked good.

    He looked straight out of a Pixar movie.

    > I missed the opening crawl and the Star Wars music.

    Michael Giacchino did a great job with the score, I thought. He used the original leitmotifs where appropriate. The opening theme is most strongly associated with Luke, and the movie has nothing to do with Luke.

    > This must be the SW movie where The Force is mentioned most often, yet the one with the least. Missed that too.

    In Ep.IV, all the Jedi are thought to be dead, and there is explicit doubt that the Force exists. (Han calls it "simple tricks and nonsense.") It wouldn't make sense to introduce a strong Force user in this movie. They got it in this movie in a way that didn't betray the plot of episode IV.

    > The characters didn't really made me invest in them, so when everybody dies in the end, I found I didn't really care.

    Agreed, generally. Like I said, I thought the movie seemed more about big action scenes than plot/character. However I also liked that everyone died, so we don't get some random sequel that takes place between Episodes 4 and 5 where Diego and Felicity pop up again for another one-off task.
     
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2016
    1 person likes this.

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by