official 2010 world cup thread

[Redwoood]

Originally Posted by gdl203

Well since I don't have the power to change the rules, I can only complain. Yes, a handball on the line should be goal awarded, not PK, because the probability of that ball getting in the net is 100% before contact with the hand. The PK is less than 100%, as we can attest.

Cannot be enforced, and will never be. How do you determine "will be 100% in the net" when they can't even determine a goal sometimes?

 

[George]

That's left a sour taste..

Ghana should have scored the penality.

 

[rexthedestroyer]

Originally Posted by alan

I feel really bad for Ghana, i wanted to see them go through. The crucial ones are always missed when you go high

Wasnt cheating by Suarez, its exactly like fouling in bball when you know the guy has an easy layup and youre leading or tied. You take the foul and the chance hell miss one. Do it any other time in the game and the red card hurts plenty. Final minute, had to do it.

The way some of the Ghana players took the penalties was pretty stupid though

This +1

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by Redwoood

Cannot be enforced, and will never be. How do you determine "will be 100% in the net" when they can't even determine a goal sometimes?

I hope you're not serious. Handball when ball is going in is not enforcable ? I don't know whether to

or

Hard to imagine an easier foul to call.

 

[Dedalus]

Originally Posted by rdawson808

It is cheating in that he broke the rules. Agreed. But he was caught and the penalties were applied (sent off, opponents get a PK). The PK was missed. There is such a thing as strategically breaking a rule and taking the penalty, just as their is efficient breach of contract.

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Along with those applied penalties should come disgrace and damage to reputation. Not praise. **** Suarez, if you intentionally break fundamental rules to win, you are cheating.

 

[George]

Originally Posted by alan

Wasnt cheating by Suarez, its exactly like fouling in bball when you know the guy has an easy layup and youre leading or tied. You take the foul and the chance hell miss one. Do it any other time in the game and the red card hurts plenty. Final minute, had to do it.
What kind of logic is that? Of course it's cheating.

 

[StephenHero]

Originally Posted by gdl203

I hope you're not serious. Handball when ball is going in is not enforcable ? I don't know whether to

or

Hard to imagine an easier foul to call.

Did you start following soccer last week or something?

 

[HRoi]

someone said there's a 84% conversion rate on PK's in the World Cup (not sure if that was all WC's or just this one).

Suarez's handball was instinctive - keep the ball out of the goal at all costs. but even if he had time to think about it i'm sure he would have done the same thing. anyone would take a 16% chance of a missed/saved PK (or even a 1% chance) over a 0% chance of winning if the header went in with no time left

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by StephenHero

Did you start following soccer last week or something?

Around 1978. You?

 

[B Hamilton]

All illegal plays have penalties. The penatly was given and GHA didn't capitalize. What else is there to say?

 

[StephenHero]

Originally Posted by gdl203

Around 1978. You?

You're an awfully slow learner.

 

[alan]

Originally Posted by George

What kind of logic is that? Of course it's cheating.

Is committing a foul cheating?

A player is going for goal and a defender tackles him and commits a foul. PLayer was likely to score there too.

Or lets say a player dribbles past the keeper, keeper fouls him. The player was going to be all alone facing the goal otherwise, and is pretty close to 99.9999% scoring there.

There are things you can do that have consequences in the rules, you chose whether to do them or not.

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by StephenHero

You're an awfully slow learner.
You have anything interesting to say or just total horseshit like this?

 

[XeF4]

This is undoubtably another major black mark on the sport of soccer.

 

[MetroStyles]

I think the accurate comparison to basketball is goaltending, where the points ARE awarded, instead of a foul. The analog would be giving the goal to the shooter in soccer.

That said, that is NOT the rule, and he played it legally, and he did the absolute right thing, and he would be crucified for not doing it if he had an obvious chance to.

Should they reconsider the rule? Maybe. I personally would leave it as is, because I think giving an automatic goal is too much power to give a ref, but I can totally understand the other side as well.